Ram

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2014, 20:10 PMJHeartless

"simply moving backwards destroys that tactic. or some support"

Look you DO know how to Counter Ram! MVGame.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2014, 20:37 PMJaigen

Unless you have vet 1 that's not possible. and even if you do you still need lighting reflexes

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2014, 20:37 PMJaigen

Unless you have vet 1 that's not possible. and even if you do you still need lighting reflexes

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2014, 20:10 PMJHeartless

"simply moving backwards destroys that tactic. or some support"

Look you DO know how to Counter Ram! MVGame.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2014, 20:45 PMKatitof

I've seen tigers with no blitz backing off successfuly from ram.
"Hey look! A T34! I better reverse a bit to be in line with grens!".

No rocket science, no lightning reflexes, common sense and basic micro.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2014, 22:54 PMJaigen

post a view replays. and i want a truckload of the stuff your smoking.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2014, 22:53 PMShazz

There's nothing more that needs to be said here. Ram is a stupid but presently necessary gimmick. Remove ram and give soviets more AT in other areas, either in the form of infantry AT or upgunning the T34. End of story.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2014, 22:54 PMNeph

First time I've actually laughed out loud whilst reading this thread...

The rest of the time I just sigh in disbelief at the ridiculous, self-contradicting arguments and points Jaigen and his followers keep coming up with.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2014, 22:54 PMJaigen

post a view replays. and i want a truckload of the stuff your smoking.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2014, 22:53 PMShazz

There's nothing more that needs to be said here. Ram is a stupid but presently necessary gimmick. Remove ram and give soviets more AT in other areas, either in the form of infantry AT or upgunning the T34. End of story.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2014, 17:08 PMherr anfsim

Yet you totally misunderstood the entire point of my example from using ram myself.



Noone is saying you can. Simply that the mechanic of T-34s, in a 1v1 situation, rendering Tigers useless in a diceroll is a really bad mechanic, that itself dosent promote skill.



Goes without saying. That dosent change the mechanic of ram itself, wich you seemed to agree was a bad one just a couple pages ago.



Its a huge difference between pulling of a ram, and a kill. Though I think we both agree that if you saved up for your armys most expensive tank, you will probably be weaker in regards to the rest of you army, compared to the guy who just wasted his cheapest.



Obvioulsy, in the form of enemies exploiting your exposed flanks and outmanouevering you. Prefferably not by the enemy light tank driving into you frontally to render your tank useless.



Not all people of course, but the ones who cant discuss without making assumptions about me, and my "love" for certain unspecified units, obviously are. As you said yourself:you hate ram, yet here you are arguing against me, even though it seems like we agree on most points.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2014, 18:38 PMJaigen

What makes you believe that if you spam a cheap generalist tank that you don't deserve to be completely thrashed by a tiger or panther. fact is soviets are currently even worse then the am faction when it comes to easy mode.. spam 2 units and your done no skill required. the fact is so many fanboys among the soviet side are defending is ability gives a clue how ridiculous this ability is.

Games are getting more boring and boring as of late. all you see is con spam with t-34's.

At worst ram decide a game but just worse even if the soviet player plays like an idiot you can capitalize on it. you need crawl with the at support behind a tiger or panther and it allows the soviets to have the time to build adequate AT abilities. if i spam p4's and the is comes out i have no time as the is will simply park itself on my most important points and destroys every p4 send against it.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2014, 04:25 AMBabaRoga

I will answer it with Shazz's comment because it perfectly illustrates the situation:
There's nothing more that needs to be said here. Ram is a stupid but presently necessary gimmick. Remove ram and give soviets more AT in other areas, either in the form of infantry AT or upgunning the T34. End of story.

On the side note. I write my comments in context, and they should be read and answered as such. Trying to defeat points out of context (one by one) means that one is trying to win argument not argue the point.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2014, 05:57 AMJohanSchwarz

Soviets wouldn't be so reliant on Ram if they were able to access T3 and T4 feasibly in the same game.

Can't we just make it cheaper for Soviets to backtech/sidetech later in the game? It'd probably make this shit so much easier to balance because the Reds can actually get their whole tech tree (omg, wtf, no way).

I think I speak for everyone when I say nobody likes the amount of RNG bullshit that comes with Ram ability.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2014, 12:41 PMJaigen

Everybody is pissed of with me "just as planned". The best solution this problem is this. a soon as you build tier 3 or 4 the other building gets a 50 fuel reduction. this allows the soviets to rely on both buildings.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2014, 13:55 PMand

Nah, too complicated. Reduce fuel costs of both T3 and T4, but increase building time.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2014, 23:45 PMKronosaur0s

^That and gg.

PD: Hatter went mad, again lol

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2014, 20:10 PMJHeartless

"simply moving backwards destroys that tactic. or some support"

Look you DO know how to Counter Ram! MVGame.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2014, 22:53 PMShazz

There's nothing more that needs to be said here. Ram is a stupid but presently necessary gimmick. Remove ram and give soviets more AT in other areas, either in the form of infantry AT or upgunning the T34. End of story.