Currently range does not affect weapon penetration as it does accuracy, which I find curious considering the capabilities of the engine, the significance of range in historical tank warfare and the overall game design, which for infantry allows for combat to be paced differently (fast at close range, slow at long).
Currently you're either in or out (of range) and shoot outs last roughly the same time at pointblank or maximum range. I think this is something that could be tuned to add a lot more depth to tank warfare (think closing distance with t34's, using tank traps to control range, long distance engagements resulting in stalemate, etc).
Penetration as a function of Range
24 Feb 2014, 22:08 PM
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24 Feb 2014, 22:13 PM
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Yes, for me it makes more sense to have a better chance of penetrating at closer ranges. That's how it pretty much went with AT weapons. You had to be really close to deal actual damage.
Yes, for me it makes more sense to have a better chance of penetrating at closer ranges. That's how it pretty much went with AT weapons. You had to be really close to deal actual damage.
24 Feb 2014, 23:34 PM
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Elefant will be useless 
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25 Feb 2014, 00:53 AM
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Yes it should (like in vCoH)
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25 Feb 2014, 01:08 AM
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Elefant will be useless
Obviously the elephant would still penetrate very reliably at max range =P
This change would be messy though. With some really rough balance for a while. Maybe they will do it for an expansion.
25 Feb 2014, 01:16 AM
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Yes this change would be great!
25 Feb 2014, 01:39 AM
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Permanently BannedAccuracy is a function of range and the dice roll is very similar to penetration dice rolls. Having both is redundant.
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25 Feb 2014, 16:58 PM
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Accuracy is a function of range and the dice roll is very similar to penetration dice rolls. Having both is redundant.
Not if we wanted to better define a units functionality; i.e. a vehicle having a relatively high close range penetration but a steep drop off at long range.
25 Feb 2014, 17:23 PM
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Perhaps having the stug III e and command tank have better chances to pen at close range vs t-34s and t-34/76s better able to pen pIVs at close range?
25 Feb 2014, 18:01 PM
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doesn't make sense to me, Razh already has a point on it, plus longer range = more chance to miss because of scatter.
mobility already defines units roles, turreted tanks are close/mid range, non turreted are long range, paks are mid/long range
mobility already defines units roles, turreted tanks are close/mid range, non turreted are long range, paks are mid/long range
25 Feb 2014, 18:16 PM
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People always complaining about depth... wouldn't something like this add depth?
25 Feb 2014, 18:32 PM
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People are voting against this?
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25 Feb 2014, 18:52 PM
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People are voting against this?
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25 Feb 2014, 18:57 PM
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Don't know, I would usually be strongly in favor of it, but the way units work in this game with very unrealistic range values in comparison to real life units in the first place I am not sure.
25 Feb 2014, 19:32 PM
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I think all tanks need minimum range, something like 3-4m, and all AT weapons - increased penetration for every shot from close range(under 15m).
25 Feb 2014, 21:24 PM
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This would just bring a truck load of new balance problems for very little potential gain in the quality of game-play.
25 Feb 2014, 21:26 PM
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Not if we wanted to better define a units functionality; i.e. a vehicle having a relatively high close range penetration but a steep drop off at long range.
So why not give it high accuracy at close range and steep drop off accuracy at long range?
25 Feb 2014, 21:28 PM
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So why not give it high accuracy and close range and steep drop off accuracy at long range?
That would just make too much sense. Away with you!
25 Feb 2014, 22:35 PM
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Accuracy is a function of range and the dice roll is very similar to penetration dice rolls. Having both is redundant.
Have you looked at how the weapons are programmed?
Ready aim time
Fire aim time
Post firing aim time
Post firing cooldown
Cooldown
Windup
Winddown
What does all this translate too? The time between shooting one bullet and shooting the next.
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25 Feb 2014, 23:15 PM
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I like this idea, but I agree it should be different for each vehicle. Long range tank destroyers should be less affected. Maybe even increase the penetration for some vehicles up close from their current values(t34/76, su76, PzIV command tank, etc).
I'd be interested to see how it would be implemented, percent values or penetration ranges maybe?
I'd be interested to see how it would be implemented, percent values or penetration ranges maybe?
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