PPSH x3 Aftermath Update

Jump back to quoted post24 Feb 2014, 22:13 PMblitz1337

So, what your saying is, you need a 60 munition upgrade and an MG to beat a 30 munition upgrade.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 02:25 AMFestiveLongJohns

Flawed logic. The PPSH is only available in a handful of doctrines and its some of its power needs to be accounted for because of this. The LMG is available to any German player. I don't think its fair to compare to the two 1:1

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 02:29 AMPorygon

Osttruppen is only available in one doctrine, does it make sense buffing them into Knight Cross level?

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 05:58 AMFestiveLongJohns

No, but ostruppen fulfill a role within the context of the commander they are in. Comparing ostruppen to conscripts, for example, isn't really worthwhile, because one is a baseline unit and the other fills a very niche role in a single commander.

The PPSH exists within the context of only a few commanders, none of which have any late game call in tanks. Its not fair to compare it to something like the LMG42, which is available regardless of commander. The PPSH offers a strong mid game presence for conscripts that helps them scale into late game, at the cost of heavy call-ins. IMO unique commander abilities deserve to have some added strength because they occupy a slot on your commander load out, which should feel significant and game changing. We're not talking about baseline upgrades, we're talking about game defining abilities only available via commander choice, and for that reason I don't feel like its a valid comparison.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 07:09 AMPorygon

Your logic cannot be apply in the new doctrine. It is arguable the best doctrine of Soviet.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 07:12 AMbuckers

ppsh's should take up 1/2 a weapon slot, and have a chance of being dropped when the squad loses a member, then re bought for 10 munis a peice.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 07:12 AMbuckers

ppsh's should take up 1/2 a weapon slot, and have a chance of being dropped when the squad loses a member, then re bought for 10 munis a peice.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 09:22 AMOmega_Warrior

I don't know what 1/2 a slot is, but doctrinal upgrades don't drop just like the g43.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 08:10 AMFestiveLongJohns

Why doesn't it apply? The new doctrine doesn't include Guards or Shocks. That alone is a pretty hefty sacrifice. On top of that, the only call in vehicle is a single T-34-85. I don't see where your coming from, please elaborate.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 11:22 AMPorygon

Don't ever think having

- best cons upgrade
- Maphack
- best all around tank callin

Is a sacrifice.

If you can't play without those gimmick elite inf, realty please l2p.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 11:16 AMMr. Someguy

Wrong, Guards drop their DP's and PTRS Rifles. One's an upgrade, both are doctrinal.

Personally I like the idea that PPSh can be dropped. Not only because it makes you need to be a bit more careful and pay more attention, but from a historical standpoint the Germans loved to capture and use the PPSh, especially due to their shortage of SMG's against a very SMG heavy Army, the extra fire-power was certainly welcome.

The only problem is I don't know if there is a dropped model for the PPSh, or voice lines, so those would need to be made.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 07:12 AMbuckers

ppsh's should take up 1/2 a weapon slot, and have a chance of being dropped when the squad loses a member, then re bought for 10 munis a peice.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 11:22 AMPorygon

Don't ever think having

- best cons upgrade
- Maphack
- best all around tank callin

Is a sacrifice.

If you can't play without those gimmick elite inf, really please l2p.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 20:23 PMCardboard Tank

Ppsh definitely, G43 - I´m not sure about that. So far G43s haven´t caused any balance troubles. The Ppsh on the other hand has. Also the Ppsh among Germans was way more common than the G43 among Russians.