Death to all the RNG gods

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2014, 18:26 PMGustavGans

AT-guns always penetraiting? Tanks always hitting? Mortars and Arty being spot on target with every shot?

Then I'd rather go play spamcraft or CnC

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2014, 18:25 PMBeltFedWombat

No plan survives first contact with the enemy.

I am a heretic casual and like RNG.

The Rainman / ex-SC pro tendency will kill it for the rest of us with their pursuit of reducing this game to APS / mathematics.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2014, 09:47 AMJaigen

Bingo. you need Combined arms , you need strategic insight , good micro and scouting just to make your attack succeed. what do the soviets need to counter your attack? T-34 spam.
You don't find that a problem ferrozoica that you can simply use a one tank to win every single tank battle. That the soviets do not need combined arms planning or scouting?

Return of this i win button would destroy this game.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2014, 16:56 PMvan Voort

If your plan fails because of the RNG gods then maybe it wasn't such a good plan.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2014, 18:37 PMBasilone

Stop putting words in his mouth. As much as I've bashed RNG I've never suggested 100% accuracy or penetration on AT guns (except in vcoh after using AP round ability, that would make perfect sense). Some things should be random like accuracy, where artillery hits, penetrating tanks, etc. but having abilities that don't perform consistently is a no-no for a strategy game that is trying to be competitive. Mines that fairly often 1 shot full health squads, Ram ability + AT nades in its current state, flamers blowing up so often, big tanks getting destroyed engine, etc. have no place in the competitive arena, and most of the people saying "nerp but that is why coh is special" are the people that spend more time watching the game than actually playing it.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2014, 17:51 PMlink0

+1. This game would be so much better without all the RNG.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jan 2014, 18:52 PMlink0

I understand the casual crowd generally loves all the RNG.

Different strokes for different folks. I play RTS games as a pure test of skill. I like the general gameplay of this game, but the RNG takes away from skill.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2014, 18:49 PMferrozoica

All anyone can do in CoH (and life ) is stack the odds in their favour as much as possible. Becoming truly successful is not just taking advantage of the good times but ones ability to stay focussed during the bad; to overcome the negatives so to say

Mines that fairly often 1 shot full health squads, Ram ability + AT nades in its current state, flamers blowing up so often, big tanks getting destroyed engine, etc. * have no place in the competitive arena * , and most of the people saying "nerp but that is why coh is special" are the people that spend more time watching the game than actually playing it.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2014, 20:00 PMBeltFedWombat

The competitive crowd are the 3% who want the other 97% to bend to their will. Cruel but true.

As someone who likes to watch top players, may I suggest you stop worrying about RNG (I watch a fair bit and don't see it dramatically impacting on who is consistently the best player) and start playing on some different maps instead.

The shoutcast scene is being killed by top players obsessed with the same three maps.

Sorry to digress but need to vent.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2014, 20:00 PMBeltFedWombat

The competitive crowd are the 3% who want the other 97% to bend to their will. Cruel but true.

As someone who likes to watch top players, may I suggest you stop worrying about RNG (I watch a fair bit and don't see it dramatically impacting on who is consistently the best player) and start playing on some different maps instead.

The shoutcast scene is being killed by top players obsessed with the same three maps.

Sorry to digress but need to vent.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2014, 14:53 PMSgtBulldog

The only way RNG will hit you unfairly is if you are a fanboy and only play one faction. If you play both sides and many games, you'll get the same benefit/hurt from RNG in average as everybody else.

This is maths from elementary school.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2014, 13:45 PMStephennJF

Yes RNG is important and I like it to, but CoH2 has more of it to CoH1 and it is by far more punishing.

My primary problem with RNG in this game revolves around mines, in particular Soviet mines. They are by far the most broken part of RNG in this game. I have lost 2-3 games in the past week primarily because a single Soviet mine killing 4 men, full health gren squads. Yet other times, it kills only 1 model and hardly protects your flank. There is no predictability to mine RNG and it is frustrating.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2014, 18:59 PMtokarev

Sorry but I've never ever seen a soviet mine wiping out the whole squad at full health. I mostly play as Soviet (95% of all games) and I place mines in every game no exception. Never ever TM-35 killed a squad for me....
What happens is that the first mine kills two models, the second kills one more and leaves last model alive. It happened like 100 times and I've never seen a full health squad wipe with one mine

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2014, 14:53 PMSgtBulldog

The only way RNG will hit you unfairly is if you are a fanboy and only play one faction. If you play both sides and many games, you'll get the same benefit/hurt from RNG in average as everybody else.

This is maths from elementary school.