Guards vs Airborne Long Range

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2022, 14:15 PMrumartinez89

What is rally? If your talking about the rally point that is only available in Airborne but not Terror Tactics. Airborne ACC vet is overall worse than the other Soviet elite units also but probably to late to address.

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2022, 15:05 PMHannibal

Good point. I somehow connect the airborne rally point with airborne Guards, probably because they have existed only in combination for a long time.
The accuracy veterancy bonus not especially bad. Guard Rifles get +30% as well. Almost every unit in the game either gets +30% or +40% in total. On a quick search, I can't find a real pattern, it is not depending on elite/non-elite nor the optimum range. However, that doesn't mean though that Airborne Guards couldn't use a +40% buff instead the +30%. Maybe that is what they are lacking.

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2022, 15:48 PMrumartinez89

I think the VET ACC was dropped since cloak>First strike bonus plus 40%acc could lead to some BS wipes if nades are used. However as that doesn't apply to LMG Airborne it left them in a weird spot.

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2022, 15:48 PMrumartinez89

Cons/Shocks/AssG/Commissar all get 40% which makes it fairly strange but Guards do get the best REC ACC bonus out of all of them. That leaves Airborne with the short stick as it is technically two units in one. I think the VET ACC was dropped since cloak>First strike bonus plus 40%acc could lead to some BS wipes if nades are used. However as that doesn't apply to LMG Airborne it left them in a weird spot.

As A soviet main I would like to see all Guards variants get firing positions. Could lead to some interesting performance.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2022, 10:22 AMVipper

Vet abilities (and bonuses) should be designed around specific units and their role.

Firing position for Thompson/PPsh guards would be a bad design so I see no real reason for such a change.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2022, 10:49 AMrumartinez89

A cloaked PPSH Guard hiding with firing positions active and on hold fire would work fairly well together for a trap. The acc bonus plus cooldown bonus would make it like a budget tactical advance.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2022, 10:49 AMrumartinez89

For Zooks it wouldn’t be to bad as you would reload even faster right?

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2022, 10:49 AMrumartinez89

For Thompsons it would be fairly useless outside of forcing units out of garrisons using nade and then firing positions to put DPS them or holding onto a point. However if they pick up an LMG in the empty slot instantly becomes a zone of death.

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2022, 21:37 PMrumartinez89

I would assume using green cover allows the fight to take longer so that RNG can smooth out compared to testing several light cover battles were a lot of the fight depends on if Guards get favorable RNG with PTRS.