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so apparently stock CE is a decent unit. Literally 4 men con squad, so good. Ok dude.
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so apparently stock CE is a decent unit. Literally 4 men con squad, so good. Ok dude.
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they ARE actually good combat units, but in the form of clustering them with your 1st infantry sq and defeating enemy sturmpioneer before it gets support
also spamming CE is definitely recommended because its funny
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They are better at fighting than conscripts, same dps better target size.
So for the cheapest engineer units being as better than their mainline of their faction yes they are a "decent unit".
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Saying that ce's are better combatants then the main line conscripts is quite a stretch.
They lack staying power on their own with less models and less guns,
Their real strentgh is their price and synergy with flamers and conscripts merging.
Rear echelons are quite pointless to get compared to any other engineer esp ce's. Crew repairs and tech not being build by engies being one reason, not having proper mines sandbags being another. Having smoke should make them a vital unit, however it doesnt. Mortar and officers make it so.
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Don't forget that one doctrine with mass-spam nade launchers, just like in tightrope vid's! Much firepower, very lethal!
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That is Per entity, same DPS better RA.
I have not tested but I would guess that 3 CE would beat 2 conscript in straight up fight.
For a engineer unit that is not bad at all.
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Comparisons to Combat Engineers seem pretty unfair. Combat Engineers get Flamers and can be merged which is so much better, not to mention are cheaper. Echelon can get BARs but are a waste of munitions compared to putting double bars on Riflemen & officers. Likewise, Pioneers can get Flamethrowers. Echelon also have the worst mines. Echelon have some benefits like fighting positions and volley fire but it's definitely worse compared to other engineer units. I would like to see them have more carbine damage, at least early on, but with worse weapon scaling somehow.
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Its indeed not bad. But as a squad cons are a better unit. Combined with flamer ce's they get really strong, they perfect synergy or combined arms in the early to mid game imo.
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That's just stats manipulation from the user. In reality cons have +50% more models, several combat abilities (molly, oorah and at-nade) and much better scaling. Both naked CEs and REs on their own have pretty poor combat performance and won't hold their own vs any axis squad in the game.
Also in practice CEs, pios and REs have a very high chance of dying when match gets heated, because of 4 models and rather poor RA regardless of vet. This makes Engineers obsolete once opponent has vehicles and elite infantry, or decent amount of properly vetted and equipped mainline infantry. That's why you rarely see flamer on new engies past 15+ minutes, since you'd rather upgrade your infantry, lay mines and use those munies on abilities.
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Combat engineers can work as your mainline because they cost absurdly cheap and have a flamethrower upgrade, but even without it you can hold your ground
they have 2 models less, but you make 7 to 8 squads at the very least, and you stack multiple of them anywhere you are supposed to fight. Fun tactic
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Combat engineers can work as your mainline because they cost absurdly cheap and have a flamethrower upgrade, but even without it you can hold your ground
they have 2 models less, but you make 7 to 8 squads at the very least, and you stack multiple of them anywhere you are supposed to fight. Fun tactic
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That's just stats manipulation from the user.
In reality cons have +50% more models, several combat abilities (molly, oorah and at-nade) and much better scaling. Both naked CEs and REs on their own have pretty poor combat performance and won't hold their own vs any axis squad in the game.
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You're ignoring the fact that CE have to retreat after losing about two models. This means your army can only lose half their strength until you're incapable. If you retreat Cons the same way, you have to lose 67% of your army until you are pushed off.
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Vipper, COH2 is not SC2. You don't recruit entities, you recruit squads. Also COH2 has veterancy and squads have various of abilities (e.g. cons' have combat abilities, while CE's abilities aimed at utility). The other thing that differentiates COH2 from SC2, is that you rarely trade units in COH2. Hannibal perfectly pointed out how that game design decision influences the gameplay:
BTW Cons at vet 1 have identical RA to vet0 CEs.
If you are asking, which is a better combat unit - 4 vet 0 cons with 1.09 RA or vet0 CEs with 1 RA, my answer would be Cons, because cons have Oorah, AT nade and molly.
so apparently stock CE is a decent unit. Literally 4 men con squad, so good. Ok dude.
They are better at fighting than conscripts, same dps better target size.
So for the cheapest engineer units being as better than their mainline of their faction yes they are a "decent unit".
That is Per entity, same DPS better RA.
I have not tested but I would guess that 3 CE would beat 2 conscript in straight up fight.
For a engineer unit that is not bad at all.
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They don't
You're ignoring the fact that CE have to retreat after losing about two models. This means your army can only lose half their strength until you're incapable. If you retreat Cons the same way, you have to lose 67% of your army until you are pushed off.
CEs don't work as mainline. Not early game, and surely not in the late game.
Instead of spamming a ton of CE squads that you cannot afford flamers for anyway, just build two CE and 3 Conscripts and use merge. Same effect, better fire power, and cheaper on your MP while having the same amount of models on the field
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