ISU-152 concrete piercing round

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2021, 14:50 PMKlement Pikhtura

you are missing the fact that ability needs to land smack dab in the middle of the target to do the full 240 damage, since it is pure AOE damage compared to pen/accuracy rolls for AP round.

Edit: or land a collision hit. But still there is a probability for shot to land "under the target" and deal less then 240 damage.

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2021, 14:32 PMKatitof

If you shoot it at ele, you get shot back for more damage, possibly 2 times.
If you shoot it at JT, you get shot back for more damage, possibly 2 times.

Which means the pen buff is useful exclusively against a single unit in the entire game.
Which makes the nerfs greatly outweight the significance of armor pen right there.

That is a fact, not an opinion.

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2021, 22:48 PMBlebfeesh

what Heavy TD would be balanced with that?

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2021, 22:49 PMKatukov

The elefant as it already has a ~75 range stun shot

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2021, 22:48 PMBlebfeesh

You created this monster, now live with the consequences. In all seriousness, there's a fine line between making it useful and making it OP, the ISU does not need a 70 range stun shot for example, what Heavy TD would be balanced with that? And turning it into essentially a double tap shot is just the original problem of it erasing squads with extra steps. IMO the least gross option to make it less sad is to simply rework it as a timed ability that let's the ISU's rounds pierce thru shot blockers for like 30 seconds or so, a clone of the JT's ability.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 01:07 AMShadowLinkX37

I slayed the monster you abooser apparently the AP shell's penetration is 200/230/260. I'd prefer a pen buff ability to manhandle the ele/JT from the front. That, I would gladly pay 60 muni for.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 07:46 AMVipper

And let say that ISU-152 does get such an ability and can now manhandle to Elefants and JTs from the front what would be the options for Ostheer/Okw to deal with ISU-152 then?

Elefant and JT can beat the ISU-152 for good reason.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 07:46 AMVipper

And let say that ISU-152 does get such an ability and can now manhandle to Elefants and JTs from the front what would be the options for Ostheer/Okw to deal with ISU-152 then?

Elefant and JT can beat the ISU-152 for good reason.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 01:07 AMShadowLinkX37

I slayed the monster you abooser apparently the AP shell's penetration is 200/230/260. I'd prefer a pen buff ability to manhandle the ele/JT from the front. That, I would gladly pay 60 muni for.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 07:46 AMVipper

And let say that ISU-152 does get such an ability and can now manhandle to Elefants and JTs from the front what would be the options for Ostheer/Okw to deal with ISU-152 then?

Elefant and JT can beat the ISU-152 for good reason.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 12:00 PMKatitof

You'll answer yourself this question, when you sit for a moment and contemplate on how allies counter ele and JT.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 08:49 AMWilly Pete

Panther or multiple p4s. Cmd panther for OKW is good too with marking

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 12:00 PMKatitof

You'll answer yourself this question, when you sit for a moment and contemplate on how allies counter ele and JT.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 13:49 PMHannibal

That's quite nonsense.
If the ISU had great AT, even via a timed ability, you remove one of he few weak points it has.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 13:15 PMBasedSecretary

I really cannot understand this sometimes.

Many people claim that it is better to buy 2 Panthers instead of a [super]heavy tank like Jagd, Ele or similar in order to counter enemy [super]heavy tanks.

I really don't get this. I'm not trying to troll, I ask in complete sincerity.

Why would you choose another Panther (or SU-85 if SOV) when you can call in Tiger/Ele and ISU? Sure, many top tier players advocate for that because I would assume they have god like micro and yes for them it's better to roll 2 dice for a hit chance rather than one. Other than that niche group, is there any reason not to save up for superheavy tank when enemy already has one?

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2021, 14:37 PMWilly Pete

Superheavies are doctrinal, panthers/su85s are not