I understand it's hated by tournament players for being able to change the outcome of a match, but that's exactly what makes it fun.
Please at least code it in singleplayer so that modders can add it back in a tuning pack or something. Many thanks.
Please implement vehicle abandons.
14 Sep 2021, 12:10 PM
#1
Posts: 1382
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
15 Sep 2021, 19:59 PM
#2
Posts: 518
I still think that it should be added to multiplayer. Simply not in the same way it is in CoH2.
Make it trigger under certain circumstances but then make it trigger 100% of the time and also give the captured tank slightly worse stats and maybe also make it cost like 10 or 20 fuel (+ammo?) to "refuel" the tank
Make it trigger under certain circumstances but then make it trigger 100% of the time and also give the captured tank slightly worse stats and maybe also make it cost like 10 or 20 fuel (+ammo?) to "refuel" the tank
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
Playing with randoms
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.
Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
15 Sep 2021, 20:06 PM
#3
Posts: 1382
I still think that it should be added to multiplayer. Simply not in the same way it is in CoH2.
Make it trigger under certain circumstances but then make it trigger 100% of the time and also give the captured tank slightly worse stats and maybe also make it cost like 10 or 20 fuel (+ammo?) to "refuel" the tank
I think the consistency idea is good, as well as the "refuel" idea (for some reason I thought I remembered this being a thing in CoH1, even though there were no vehicle abandons then. Must be going crazy.)
I disagree with the having lower stats part, but I like the spirit. I think it would make sense for the crew to have trouble in the vehicle, because they're not familiar with it.
What about if it started out with "negative" veterancy? Like the crew has to get familiar with the vehicle first so maybe it has a slower reload and worse accuracy until it's gotten a tank kill or two under its belt?
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
15 Sep 2021, 20:47 PM
#4
Posts: 1382
Make it trigger under certain circumstances but then make it trigger 100% of the time...
Actually, after thinking about this a little bit longer, I don't like this idea so much. The abandon mechanic is fun to me *because* it happens out of nowhere and it's not predictable.
When it happens it's like everyone collectively is working to stop it/ repair because they weren't prepared for it.
I've had the most fun when I've got to drop an offensive just to try to coordinate with my teammates to set up security while we repair the tank.
I have maybe some other ideas about it to make it more of a minigame or something that is less punishing for dives.
1.) One faction should not be better at recovering abandoned vehicles any more than the other (USF crit repair lol) for fairness reasons.
2.) Troops cannot get inside until it's fully repaired and there can only be so many engineers working on the tank at one time. The idea being that there's a consistent time for repairing the tank and if someone dives into enemy territory they aren't f*cked just because there are a shitton of engineers there. Also it can lead to battles around the tank to retake it and the enemy can't just hop inside to deny the enemy a chance to retake.
EDIT: Also, it would mean that you now have options to halt the repairs or slow them down, as you could shoot the tank to get the health down with AT guns or another tank and force the enemy to attack or else not be able to recover the tank.
EDIT2: Though maybe this would be kind of a snowball with the more numerically superior team being able to force the weaker team off the team and lead to snowballing. But then again it would make it a risk/reward choice, either you risk putting time into repairing the tank (possibly putting yourself into a bad situation if they can push you off it and take over the repairs) and be rewarded with a cheap tank OR you take the safe option and finish off the tank.
I think it could make abandons more of an interesting mechanic and less of a bullshit RNG roll that fucks someone over for bad luck.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
16 Sep 2021, 04:20 AM
#5
Posts: 1153 | Subs: 1
I think vehicle abandons are fine in multiplayer and custom games... but so long as there is a separate competitive ranked mode if/when they have things like a temporary season or ladder
16 Sep 2021, 06:03 AM
#6
Posts: 2184 | Subs: 2
Let's be honest. I once read an article that somewhere 10% of the people in the game are involved in tournaments, etc. I don't want to offend anyone, but about 10% of people should not interfere with the fun of the rest. Abandoned vehicle are fun and interesting mechanics. I am absolutely not opposed if this mechanic is removed for the tournament. But leave is as a regular player who has fun.
16 Sep 2021, 08:02 AM
#7
Posts: 1820 | Subs: 2
You don't want a this much RNG in a ranked game. I find its fine when you have it as an option for skirmish games for more fun.
16 Sep 2021, 11:54 AM
#8
Posts: 1382
You don't want a this much RNG in a ranked game. I find its fine when you have it as an option for skirmish games for more fun.
I'm actually perfectly fine with the way it is in gameplay. Tournament players disable random main gun crits with tuning packs for RNG reasons. Don't see why abandons can't just stay the same way.
Also could just just have a "competitive" ruleset and a "casual" ruleset, with different queues.
It's not splitting they playerbase because most of the casual play happens in 4v4, and nobody playing 4s really wants to get matched up with a sweaty tournament arranged team anyways.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
16 Sep 2021, 12:02 PM
#9
Posts: 1594
Random abandons/MGC should not be in automatch. Feel free to have them in custom games, but matchmaking (Which matches based on performance) has absolutely 0 reason to have this.
16 Sep 2021, 12:04 PM
#10
Posts: 1382
Random abandons/MGC should not be in automatch. Feel free to have them in custom games, but matchmaking (Which matches based on performance) has absolutely 0 reason to have this.
I understand you feel this way about high level ladder matches but I assure you none of the plebians like me and the other 80% of the playerbase despise it nearly as much.
Competitive vs casual automatch. Think it would be a good fit.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
16 Sep 2021, 12:07 PM
#11
Posts: 1594
I understand you feel this way about high level ladder matches but I assure you none of the plebians like me and the other 80% of the playerbase despise it nearly as much.
Competitive vs casual automatch. Think it would be a good fit.
If there's the playerbase to support two separate queues, sure.
16 Sep 2021, 13:49 PM
#12
Posts: 1382
If there's the playerbase to support two separate queues, sure.
I don't think it will end up being much of a split in 1v1s and 4v4s. Maybe for 2s and 3s though.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
19 Sep 2021, 16:47 PM
#13
Posts: 1794
Random abandons/MGC should not be in automatch. Feel free to have them in custom games, but matchmaking (Which matches based on performance) has absolutely 0 reason to have this.
worst decision relic can make and sure to piss many off.
custom game = coldtech = zero balancing = impossible to find a random game.
19 Sep 2021, 17:09 PM
#14
Posts: 1594
worst decision relic can make and sure to piss many off.
custom game = coldtech = zero balancing = impossible to find a random game.
You overestimate the number of people who would be upset if random abandons were not in automatch. This would in no way be the "worst decision" relic could make.
19 Sep 2021, 17:26 PM
#15
Posts: 1794
You overestimate the number of people who would be upset if random abandons were not in automatch. This would in no way be the "worst decision" relic could make.
in relic official coh3 forums, the majority wants abandoned back.
not random abandoned at current state. but abandoned vehicles with perhaps more conditions to re-use them, such as using fuel to repair and such.
but abandoned vehicle mechanics are being campaign for a return, and in automatch.
thats said, i am more in favour of abandoned being triggered by RNG instead of bunch of conditions.
will prefer the aftermath of abandoned, the recrewing and repairing portion have more conditions/resources to fulfil before you can deploy it.
im not comfortable with conditions to trigger abandons because it may lead players to play for abandons.
19 Sep 2021, 19:05 PM
#16
Posts: 1594
in relic official coh3 forums, the majority wants abandoned back.
That does not represent a particularly meaningful amount of players, and I doubt it is a "majority", merely a very loud minority.
im not comfortable with conditions to trigger abandons because it may lead players to play for abandons.
Lol.
19 Sep 2021, 19:09 PM
#17
Posts: 772
You need to understand how brutal is a possibility of losing a tank and giving it away to the enemy, especially in 1v1, when you can't sit around on your ass behind HMGs and AT guns, while your allies doing all the work. Sometimes single piece of armor over your enemy can be deciding factor in a match.
So either implement it in 4v4 and 3v3s only, or drop the feature all together. Same with maingun crits.
So either implement it in 4v4 and 3v3s only, or drop the feature all together. Same with maingun crits.
19 Sep 2021, 19:13 PM
#18
Posts: 1594
You need to understand how brutal is a possibility of losing a tank and giving it away to the enemy, especially in 1v1, when you can't sit around on your ass behind HMGs and AT guns, while your allies doing all the work. Sometimes single piece of armor over your enemy can be deciding factor in a match.
So either implement it in 4v4 and 3v3s only, or drop the feature all together. Same with maingun crits.
Removing entirely really would be preferable. They're just not good features, despite what people would like to pretend. Same as flamer crits were.
19 Sep 2021, 20:13 PM
#19
Posts: 772
Removing entirely really would be preferable. They're just not good features, despite what people would like to pretend. Same as flamer crits were.
on paper it is a fun and "realistic" mechanic, but in practice it produces a lot of frustration and punishes aggressive play.
20 Sep 2021, 01:06 AM
#20
Posts: 1794
That does not represent a particularly meaningful amount of players, and I doubt it is a "majority", merely a very loud minority.
Lol.
i have to disagree, rather those wanting removal are the loud minority.
im not going to convince you as you are not to me.
but let just say, abandoned as a mechanic to gain access to enemy vehicle is a great feature and unless relic creates new feature to replace it. removing it is just cutting down the potential of emergent gameplay and layers. most players want to play a mulit faceted games.
it is what it is.
on paper it is a fun and "realistic" mechanic, but in practice it produces a lot of frustration and punishes aggressive play.
i have to disagree but i am not going to convince you. let just say abandoned have to stay. but we have to study what are the impact that some of you claims dislike.
a simple solution is by adding resources usage to repairing a captured tank. would that work?
it gives players another decision making stop, to see whether salvaging a P4 20 mins in a match a worth or not.
in fact, my theory is, those who dislike abandoned, how many games have you lost due to this always cited example of 'it punishes aggressive plays'? is it very common and impactful or just a theory because the dislike of random outcomes?
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