Soviet AT Over Watch is too strong.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 05:43 AMGachiGasm

Zeroing dont auto aim on units, zeroing has friendly fire, zeroing takes like 5+ seconds charning up before it actually start being devastating.

Zeroing is just another artillery ability, which works like any other artillery based ability except it needs constant vision.

Abilities are closest to overwatch - all plane based abilities, but unlike auto-aiming planes AT overwatch cant be countered by AA and it cant be doudged.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 07:56 AMSkysTheLimit

Ummm what are you talking about? Zeroing arty absolutely tracks and targets units. You're correct about the delay, but it absolutely auto-aims, and it most certainly does not work other artillery abilities

The description literally says: "Automatically attacks visible enemy units in the target area. Artillery rate of fire ramps up the longer the target is visible"

To be clear I think zeroing is relatively balanced compared to AT overwatch, but that's just because ATO is faster. Zeroing is the same ability its just slower and it attacks everything instead of only vehicles

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 05:45 AMShimizu

You also usually have conscripts of something that can snare, as well as other abilities to like flares or overflight to maintain vision.

The ability is hardly effective versus established axis armoured forces supported with proper infantry support and AA vehicle. It is only useful punishing overextended targets, optimally following after snares.

When using it in actual game it is hard to keep vision on the axis tank, since recon overflight would get shot down, flares requires mortar or sniper to be pushed into very risky position in order to be fired, infantry barely catches up the reversing not-snared tanks and often get killed by axis infantry

When this ability works it usually being effective in helping secure a kill from combined arm push or punishing unsupported over-extending heavy tanks, OP claimed that this ability by its own could demolish any heavy tank without additional effort, I just want to prove that this statement is not true.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 10:26 AMRintFosk

I would appretiate you a lot if you could read my reply about how much effort and risk players need to take in order to make this ability effective.



This ability can be countered by denying vision, there are many ways to do it:

- AA vehicle to deny scout loiter
- Supporting team weapon and infantry to delay/deny enemy units dive
- Keeping pressure at frontline to deter enemy flare launching unit
- Smoke from mortar or doctrinal abilities such as Panzer Tactician or stuka smoke drop

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 08:56 AMGachiGasm

It tracks the enemy, not really auto-aims on the units. For instance its still possible to reatreat from zerroing circle (at least untill it fully rumps up) since it wont always hit directly into the center of the unit. Its just very chaotic and fast so it look like it always auto-aims.

AT overwatch on the other hand never misses the target, it auto-locks on it and hits in the center of the model.

In any case, over-all chances of dying to Zeroing is pretty much the same as to most arty abilities if you stay for the whole direction in the bombardment zone.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 10:00 AMullumulu

Its OP as told.

solution would be: make circle smaller. Now the circle is to huge for most maps, where it can take over half of maps.

and a troll can even drop it behind ur tanks easily and there is no way out from now.

axis taktic vs allie BS units (like mobile arty plattforms) is to dive in or lose game. and now u click one single button and kill all tanks.
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allies have enough option to counter axis LEFH, without any dive in

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 04:36 AMSwitzerland

Soooo zeroing is broken too then and un-counterable by your own measures? Neat.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 11:44 AMvgfgff

Why you guy think it OP?
It didn't even kill panther even panther is not moving and always have full vision on it.

A lot of shot was bourced off.
A lot of shot was misses.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 11:34 AMvgfgff

According to your playercard. You only experienced only 9 game with soviet.
I suggest you to try AT OVERWATCH by yourself. in my experience It totally waste of ammo it misses a lot when enemy tank are on move.and you can't continue tracking enemy tank without lose your unit.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2021, 20:28 PMQmotion

It doesn’t matter if it’s patched out. The same principle still applies. It’s not higher science to make a Ram work. Just as easy as before except now you need to use exactly 3 braincells to make it function.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 12:48 PMullumulu

its ok, when you dont understand the mechanic of the ability.

let me explain: you decided to test it with 5 tanks. Since the ability has a counter on the shells, it will try to hit all targets mixed.

what u should try: take only 2-3 tanks and see them dying easily.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 12:50 PMullumulu

its not my fault, when u cant read simple infos. i have maybe 9 sov in 1v1. but over 70 in other modes. enough for u?

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 12:48 PMCreativeName

You seem to be confused. No thats not what i said. Moving out of the effective range of a ability has nothing to do with the strength of the ability itself, thats why i brought up OP stuff in the past that someone could just avoid by moving their units.
Avoiding abilities by moving units is not a counter, never was, never will be

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 14:56 PMvgfgff

ืany off map artilily didn't have counter. you can just avoid it.