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Pfuss vs AssEngi

21 Aug 2021, 08:31 AM
#61
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We need to chill, because PFs are god damn 15 mp, 20 muni more expensive up front. Of course they should win, because they are more expensive, lmao. The thread can be closed now :D

This thread should be closed because it is flawed.

If one thinks that PF are OP one should start a thread about that.

If one thinks that Ass. Eng. are UP one should start a thread about that.

This thread is quite pointless and although "supposedly" is about a specific match up, it does not even provides tests or videos of this match up.
21 Aug 2021, 09:19 AM
#62
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Aug 2021, 08:31 AMVipper

This thread should be closed because it is flawed.

If one thinks that PF are OP one should start a thread about that.

If one thinks that Ass. Eng. are UP one should start a thread about that.

This thread is quite pointless and although "supposedly" is about a specific match up, it does not even provides tests or videos of this match up.


Calm down Nobody, if you don't like it then pass on, we're not in your personal backyard here.
22 Aug 2021, 10:57 AM
#63
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Aug 2021, 09:19 AMEsxile


Calm down Nobody, if you don't like it then pass on, we're not in your personal backyard here.


This is your OP
jump backJump back to quoted post16 Aug 2021, 13:25 PMEsxile
Is it normal that AssEngi lose badly vs Pfuss on close combat situation, like realistically you make them turn around a corner on Pfuss and pop they still lose. Its even worst with vet.

No wonder why Armor company is the least pick commander.

at first glance it look more like a you lost a fight using AssEn vs PF and you decided to let some steam of by posting in the forum but lets give you the benefit of the doubt.

A) How many times have you tested AssEng vs PF before deciding they lose badly?
What parameters did you use (weapons, distances, vet)?
(or did this happen to you in one game and you decided to start this thread)

B) In your opinion is it that PF are too good at close range or that AssEng that are bad at close range?

C)Do you really think that the AssEng are the reason Armor company is the least picked commander?
What mod are talking about?

D) Do you actually have any suggestion?

D)Most importantly why did you choose to compare two units with different roles? Why in your opinion the combat performance of these can be used to draw conclusions?
22 Aug 2021, 12:31 PM
#64
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Aug 2021, 10:57 AMVipper


This is your OP

at first glance it look more like a you lost a fight using AssEn vs PF and you decided to let some steam of by posting in the forum but lets give you the benefit of the doubt.

A) How many times have you tested AssEng vs PF before deciding they lose badly?
What parameters did you use (weapons, distances, vet)?
(or did this happen to you in one game and you decided to start this thread)

B) In your opinion is it that PF are too good at close range or that AssEng that are bad at close range?

C)Do you really think that the AssEng are the reason Armor company is the least picked commander?
What mod are talking about?

D) Do you actually have any suggestion?

D)Most importantly why did you choose to compare two units with different roles? Why in your opinion the combat performance of these can be used to draw conclusions?


Those points have already been answered. Read the topic.
22 Aug 2021, 12:46 PM
#65
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Aug 2021, 12:31 PMEsxile


Those points have already been answered. Read the topic.

Not by you who started this rant, sorry thread. More importantly this would be a much better thread if that info was actually in OP.

Any reasoning why you choose to compare these particular infatry, that have different roles, in combat?

If you do not want to respond to these questions its fine by me.
22 Aug 2021, 13:45 PM
#66
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Aug 2021, 12:46 PMVipper

Not by you who started this rant, sorry thread. More importantly this would be a much better thread if that info was actually in OP.

Any reasoning why you choose to compare these particular infatry, that have different roles, in combat?

If you do not want to respond to these questions its fine by me.


As I say calm down. I'm not required to answer again the same questions because you don't agree with what's been said. If you persist on it I'll start questioning your purpose on this topic.
22 Aug 2021, 14:10 PM
#67
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Aug 2021, 13:45 PMEsxile


As I say calm down. I'm not required to answer again the same questions because you don't agree with what's been said. If you persist on it I'll start questioning your purpose on this topic.

I am perfectly calm.

You have yet to explain why you choose to compare PF vs Ass Eng so pls do not use "again" as if you had give any reasons.

As I said if you do not want to respond to a simply question that other have also asked, simply say no comment but pls lose with this attitude.

And Allow me to close with a word of advice, if you want me to post less in this thread then I suggest you stop quoting me and forcing me to respond to you...
22 Aug 2021, 14:30 PM
#68
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Aug 2021, 14:10 PMVipper

I am perfectly calm.

You have yet to explain why you choose to compare PF vs Ass Eng so pls do not use "again" as if you had give any reasons.

As I said if you do not want to respond to a simply question that other have also asked, simply say no comment but pls lose with this attitude.

And Allow me to close with a word of advice, if you want me to post less in this thread then I suggest you stop quoting me and forcing me to respond to you...


Where did I ask for a comparison between Pfuss and Assgen? Did I say they have the same role and purpose?

We all know this is not the first time you're hijacking a topic with your personal logic, didn't you see that people where giving their impression and several also tested it to reach a similar conclusion that pfuss ripe appart Assgen on close combat.

What's your purpose here if you don't read the answer already given and harassing me to repeat again the same thing?

Now for the conclusion, is it normal and balance? I don't think so, but other have a different opinion and I'm not trying to impose in any sort my opinion over their like you try to do with your repetitive questioning.

@moderation, can we clean up this mess with this poster? Their no value in those ultimate answers.
22 Aug 2021, 14:42 PM
#69
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Aug 2021, 14:30 PMEsxile

Where did I ask for a comparison between Pfuss and Assgen? Did I say they have the same role and purpose?

Since according to you they do not have the same role and purpose why this particular match up in the first place?

jump backJump back to quoted post22 Aug 2021, 14:30 PMEsxile

We all know this is not the first time you're hijacking a topic with your personal logic, didn't you see that people where giving their impression and several also tested it to reach a similar conclusion that pfuss ripe appart Assgen on close combat.

What's your purpose here if you don't read the answer already given and harassing me to repeat again the same thing?

Now for the conclusion, is it normal and balance? I don't think so, but other have a different opinion and I'm not trying to impose in any sort my opinion over their like you try to do with your repetitive questioning.

@moderation, can we clean up this mess with this poster? Their no value in those ultimate answers.

In other words you can not provide a single reason why you started a thread called "Pfuss vs AssEngi" that focus on specific match up and so you will use smoke and mirror and repeat the "hijacking" mantra.

It is pretty obvious that this thread is rant because you lost a fight and the thread should not even be in the balance section because these units are not balance one vs other.


22 Aug 2021, 15:02 PM
#70
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You don't have to build cover to be an engineer squad. Last I checked cons, even with conscript repair, are not considered "engineers"

You can say "as an alternative mainline" as many times as you would like, it does not make them one.

You are talking about how usf doesn't need ass engies because they have crews (granted last I checked crews couldn't burn out garrisons nor lay mines...) and then say you want them to be alternative mainlines as if USF doesn't have rifles.

USF doesn't have alternative mainlines, at all. They have specialist support squads for the best and most flexible mainline in the game-rifles.
But yes, let's make them an alternative mainline, one that is a "mainline" but actually an engineer.... Like all those other mainlines that lay wire (could you kindly list at least one mainline that can do this? Cause I can list engineers in all factions that can....)

rifles with sandbags and mines and cavrifles are better then ass engies. Change my mind.
22 Aug 2021, 15:33 PM
#71
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rifles with sandbags and mines and cavrifles are better then ass engies. Change my mind.

Better at what? Repairs? Laying mines? Handling garrisons?
Rifles and cav rifles are combat units. It shouldn't blow your mind that thay are better at combat than an engineer squad.....
22 Aug 2021, 15:36 PM
#72
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Better at what? Repairs? Laying mines? Handling garrisons?
Rifles and cav rifles are combat units. It shouldn't blow your mind that thay are better at combat than an engineer squad.....


I think he means more valuable even if different.
22 Aug 2021, 16:48 PM
#73
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Better at what? Repairs? Laying mines? Handling garrisons?
Rifles and cav rifles are combat units. It shouldn't blow your mind that thay are better at combat than an engineer squad.....

As far as I have seen Ass Eng equipped with flamer and BAR are quite strong at fighting (for an engineer unit.)

The synergy of BAR and Flamer is quite good since both weapons are good at similar ranges and both damage multiple entities.
22 Aug 2021, 22:33 PM
#74
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Unfortunately the commander itself is a monument of mediocrity.

Assegies - weird unit that has a lot of abilities that overlap with other units, e.g. repairs can be done by crews, that get +0.5 repair speed with elite upgrade and RE being able to swipe and lay barbed wire for much cheaper both to build and maintain. They also have all the shortcoming of CQC infantry, whist having limited combat potential and scaling.

M10, mildly speaking, being questionable investment at best.

Dozer Sherman having questionable strengths for the asking price, which has armor that only viable vs P4 shells.

Arty is alright and crews are rather useful (I confess that used to have opposite opinion about the upgrade).

So no matter how you spin it, even if AssEngies are a great unit, very few might even try to explore it.
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