Fans have been playing Company of Heroes 3 for years

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 16:12 PMPip

The actual "top players", i.e those that win tournaments, are indeed the people who should be listened to. They actually understand the game, and as Bud says: Lelic mis-stepped by NOT listening to good players for the longest time.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 15:56 PMBudwise

Yea that didn't happen. The first years of COH2 Relic didn't like what the top players had to say so we were pretty much ignored and silenced. That's why 90% of top players from COH1 did not move to COH2 for very long, the downgrade in mechanics and initial pay2win strategy was too much.

Relic didn't actually start listening until years after release when they realized they had F'd up. Even then the cycling of "experts" in their group was alarming. They'd bring in a new group for "private balancing" and if they didn't agree with the devs eventually they'd be phased out and a new group of "experts" brought in. Span this over years and hundreds of players. Most top players ran out of fucks to give for COH2 after enough of that.

Lets hope lessons were learned on both sides.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 17:39 PMLeodot

I agree, but what I am missing is that 4v4 is the most played setup, and tournaments are only 1v1.
This I feel is a pitty because 4v4 is huge! Ofcourse there are severe issues in moderation of 4v4 but I think this is the only future setup if not even larger like 5v5 or 6v6.

Currently the games are more team games or MP games than 2006. This should be in consideration of the next COH.

Despite, there is a strong community for singleplayer, modders, and 1v1 tournaments but laggs of big events like 4v4. If this setup helps to mobelize more gamer to play COH3 in the end I am happy with it.

So, I think there is huge potential but als a huge ladder to climb and 1 year isn't much time!

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 18:36 PMPip

Ideally in CoH3 larger gamemodes will have separate balancing done to them in some fashion. That's really the best way to help large modes shine, as you simply can't expect 1v1s and 4v4s to perform the same way.

CoH2's 4v4 mode simply isnt suited to "tournament" level play due to systemic issues with critical mass, and certain units' efficiency.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 19:11 PMKatitof

I never understood why they didn't translated DoW2 multiplayer eco into CoH2, it clearly proved a functional feature and helped tremendously with balancing and game pace.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 19:36 PMA_E

Speaking for the original 9 person council, it was all killer no filler dream team. A nice mix from the CoH2/1 community imo, great bunch.

We helped give advice that I feel represented the best hopes and dreams of the community at a vital stage (concept phase), and were for the most part listened to.

I do feel that from there it got a little bit bigger and possibly not as engaging from my own personal perspective at times, but I personally think to have a 70 person 'council' is the worst of both worlds. It's too big to be quality over quantity and engaging, but too small to get meta data that is authoritative.

So open pre-alpha is going to be a lot more useful for them I think.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 20:11 PMWhiteFlash

I was not invited at any point

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 19:12 PMPip

How did it work in DoW2? It's been years since I played that.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 10:15 AMblvckdream

I don't know, the art style looks very much like COH1. The way flags are designed. Vehicles. Units. Territories etc.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 20:11 PMWhiteFlash

I was not invited at any point

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 20:11 PMWhiteFlash

I was not invited at any point

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2021, 15:56 PMBudwise

Yea that didn't happen. The first years of COH2 Relic didn't like what the top players had to say so we were pretty much ignored and silenced. That's why 90% of top players from COH1 did not move to COH2 for very long, the downgrade in mechanics and initial pay2win strategy was too much.

Relic didn't actually start listening until years after release when they realized they had F'd up. Even then the cycling of "experts" in their group was alarming. They'd bring in a new group for "private balancing" and if they didn't agree with the devs eventually they'd be phased out and a new group of "experts" brought in. Span this over years and hundreds of players. Most top players ran out of fucks to give for COH2 after enough of that.

Lets hope lessons were learned on both sides.