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TBH, I'm quite surprised anyone thinking 57 is the best AT gun. Thought (at least in Kor. community) we all agreed on the pak 40 is the best one.
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Joke a side, in VN.Community, Alies ATG are born for killing Alies tank rather than Axis. If Enemies picked 57mm, 7 prounder or Zis, you are fucked for sure.
After all, Armor values matter.
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I don't know. Truth be told, I quite like the USF AT gun. In my view, it's the best. Raketen is cancerous to play against. Again, a bit lower range and all, but the retreat really is cancerous. The number of times 2 raketen were playing the role of a frontline unit, nuking vehicles and then retreating.... rage inducing.
Funnily, it's hard to wipe raketen with small arms but a granade straight up destroys all models. Last game 2x rifles with 2bars were unable to wipe 1 raketen running up to them and then a couple of seconds of retreat, whereas a nade that didn't even hit it well, somehow wiped all models off it.
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see this is what im saying OKW litreally has no use for puma or JP4 when you can buy 2 of this and just nuke vechiles and run away while only being weak to grenades or large arty all i want is this unit to be limited to Tier 1 BG HQ or Mech HQ at Tier 2 that way players will be forced to buy a puma to deal with a halftrack or a light tank and JP4 in an emergency to deal with a medium tank
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What if 2 Okw vs 2 Brit and early game Okw facing 4 UCarrier?
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i double checked and no
What if 2 Okw vs 2 Brit and early game Okw facing 4 UCarrier?
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see this is what im saying OKW litreally has no use for puma or JP4 when you can buy 2 of this and just nuke vechiles and run away while only being weak to grenades or large arty all i want is this unit to be limited to Tier 1 BG HQ or Mech HQ at Tier 2 that way players will be forced to buy a puma to deal with a halftrack or a light tank and JP4 in an emergency to deal with a medium tank
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i litreally lost some brain cells when you said use the AT abality instead of giving BARs the one upgrade USF desperately needs to fight back
Its also got the capability to increase range and the faster ROF. it's got the most potential of any AT gun and its 50mo cheaper. It's a well designed gun especially for USF who was intended to make ample use of MUNI abilities instead of just slapping BARS around.
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only legitimate reason i can think of to use puma when you have 2 raks is to just rub in your superiority agaisnt the allied player in a way of saying and i quote" you suck so hard at the game so im gonna beat you using a unit that i dont need" same could be said for JP 4 why bother calling them in when you have much superior options that are avalible from starting buliding
Raketenwerfers work the same as any other AT gun, they won't be able to carry a player or cover every corner of the map, so Puma definetly has a role
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i litreally lost some brain cells when you said use the AT abality instead of giving BARs the one upgrade USF desperately needs to fight back
in COH 2 only way USF can live long enough to win a drawn out game is to keep their entire starting rifle composition alive by the time the KT shows up and newly bought rifleman squads need that LMG in late game because at minimum you will see vet 3 squads and even with good cover so really there is a muntion defecit in the USF's desperate attempt to turn a game around
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I'm really sorry. If you feel on the back foot with rifles at any point, and are unable to keep them alive before KTs hit the field you clearly couldn't spare any of those braincells to begin with. Should I put a t70 wing spoiler tag when I post from now on so you don't wind up in deficit? A single BAR rifle is superior to STG volks so idk how shittily you are playing that you can't keep up without having to use what was designed as a compensation for no stock elite infantry...
For the cost of a BAR you can have a better chance at knocking out an enemy tank than any other allied double AT combo, with best chance to pen and least chance to miss, as well as quickest follow up shot. Perhaps you could start a petition for bots lower than easy so you can figure out how to get rifles to work in a non hostile but still challenging environment for you? I'll sign it if you need signatures.
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The irony of OKW is that they were supposed to have a shitty AT gun because they were having lots of handheld AT infantry but ended up being the only faction without 200+ alpha strike AT infantry squad
On top of that their AT gun is the least suited against light vehicles in the entire game
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I'm really sorry. If you feel on the back foot with rifles at any point, and are unable to keep them alive before KTs hit the field you clearly couldn't spare any of those braincells to begin with. Should I put a t70 wing spoiler tag when I post from now on so you don't wind up in deficit? A single BAR rifle is superior to STG volks so idk how shittily you are playing that you can't keep up without having to use what was designed as a compensation for no stock elite infantry...
For the cost of a BAR you can have a better chance at knocking out an enemy tank than any other allied double AT combo, with best chance to pen and least chance to miss, as well as quickest follow up shot. Perhaps you could start a petition for bots lower than easy so you can figure out how to get rifles to work in a non hostile but still challenging environment for you? I'll sign it if you need signatures.
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UKF doesnt have 200+ alpha strike handheld nor does Soviet, unless you mean AT nade barrage or satchel.
Large alpha strike is brutally punishing, its why no one likes being on the receiving end of shock artillery or a P4/Sherman HE shell. Reducing that is probably healthy for the game.
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Meant to write 160+, my bad.
Fact is that OKW doesn't have AT squads that can be a deterrent to light vehicles like re double zook, Panzergrens or RE, but Raketenwerfer is the worst at guns against light vehicles, while being more or less in line with others against mediums and heavies, is another leftover of bad faction design.
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Meant to write 160+, my bad.
Fact is that OKW doesn't have AT squads that can be a deterrent to light vehicles like re double zook, Panzergrens or RE, but Raketenwerfer is the worst at guns against light vehicles, while being more or less in line with others against mediums and heavies, is another leftover of bad faction design.
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you missed the point its not about who's superior or what is needed the point is you telling people not to waste points on BAR's and no i dont feel back foot with rifles if i did i would post a different thing you just told people not to use BAR and use APDS instead APDS has limited effect anyway only 3% as someone else said
sheer volume of fire is far better compnaion to APDS so having 3 57mm would do more damage than 2 firing APDS and besides why do you bring the US AT gun up when the problem is the RAK
again you have no rebuttal or counter argument on how RAK 43 is fair in its current state and you resorted into bringing non related topics like BAR and 57mm gun and then you called me brain dead who needs to play agaisnt bots which is nothing short of an insult but we are on the internet so who cares next time bring up good counter points not unrelated units
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