Should stealth be normalized

Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 22:06 PMDescolata

Stealth IS normalized. There is effectively 2 forms of stealth, given to 2 different types of units. Static stealth is given to ranged 'recon' troops. Falls, pathfinders, and JLIs are the best examples. Moving stealth is given to SMG ambush troops. Stormtroopers, Commandos, Partibois. The exception is Snipers, but Snipers are effectively ranged ambush troops; snipers are weird. The level of stealth is dependent on what the unit needs to do its job. SMG ambush troops need to get on top of the enemy. They MUST get close, so they get moving stealth so they CAN get close. Other SMG units tend to have other tools for the same shtick; smoke, armor, rollerskates. Ranged stealth troops are for scouting and picking good fights.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2021, 08:10 AMMMX

+1

the only inconsistency that kind of bothers me is that raks can't move when cloaked while soviet AT guns with ambush camo can (albeit at a snail's pace). still a rather minor issue, if any at all.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2021, 08:15 AMKatitof

Makes sense that doctrinal camo is better then stock one + it could move for years and we all know why it can't anymore.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2021, 08:45 AMLatch

'Mando stealth is OP, incredibly so when they can throw nades out of camo, however the issue is how squishy the unit is when its not up close so it needs either 2 things to happen:

A) Squads move at a slower (half?) speed when in camo mode.
2) Switch to other camo modes but RA reduced so they dont get melted before they even get close.

Or bonus:

Keep as is, remove nades ability in camo and increase detection range when the squad is moving in camo and keep as is when they are stationary.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2021, 08:29 AMHannibal

The Rak had decent speed when cloaked back then, the ZiS was always slow af.
I doubt that a Raketenwerfer moving at the speed of a cloaked ZiS would be a huge issue. It still couldn't do anything that was causing issues back then.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2021, 10:57 AMKatitof

Apparently, it would, given first rak camo nerf was speed reduction to 25%, so we've already tried that on live.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2021, 08:10 AMMMX

+1

the only inconsistency that kind of bothers me is that raks can't move when cloaked while soviet AT guns with ambush camo can (albeit at a snail's pace). still a rather minor issue, if any at all.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2021, 15:37 PMHannibal

Maybe I remember incorrectly, but didn't the first iteration already completely remove any movement while cloaked?

That's at least what I vaguely remembered and also the first public iteration (checked the previews again). Or was there an internal version prior to this? How did the Rak look like back then? Because it got a lot of changes.
The pre-2019 Rak ran around the battlefield like crazy.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2021, 19:15 PMKatitof

It was, vet0 immobile, vet1 25% speed.

Then it was changed to always immobile, 5th man, range increase and the list goes on.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2021, 19:19 PMHannibal

But was there any comment on why?

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2021, 19:19 PMHannibal

But was there any comment on why?
The Rak got overnerfed in the first iterations and buffed back up. The change might not be due to the Raketenwerfer being OP at vet1 with movement but because they just thought a different vet would fit it better.