Should Osttruppen really be buffed?

Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2021, 20:32 PMmiragefla

I will say, things are being looked at for Ostruppen. At least in yellow cover tests shoot outs - while not always a thing in actual games - they do beat all infantry at long and mid ranges and short-range early game and do decently enough to stall for other supporting units.

We do want to keep them as cheap troops that can stall enemy forces and work well with the MG 42 so they might keep sandbags and/or other items if their early game DPS is dropped so they cannot decisively win vs other infantry at their set ranges.

What I would intend if it was some DPS changes:

Ostruppen vs Conscripts
Truppen win at long-range, around equal at mid and lose up close. This match up, however is mainly focused on positioning and who is in cover first.

Ostruppen vs Conscripts
Defeat Riflemen at long-range, lose at mid and short.

Ostruppen vs Infantry Section
Lose to IS at long-range, loses slightly at mid and wins at short range

I've done some initial testing and reducing their long-range by 10% and their cover bonus from +300% to +250% gets them around somewhere close to the result above when in cover wars.

Now these might all work, but the Ostruppen always have the support of the MG42 and the Truppen are in an army that has more starting MP to account for their T1.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2021, 17:59 PMJilet

At this point, Osttruppen should be the mainline and Grenadiers should be the elite long range call in unironically. Powercreep of everything else made Grenadiers basically redundant.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2021, 18:00 PMjagd wölfe

Mg 42 Grenadiers are good tho

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2021, 18:08 PMelchino7

Does someone have several videos/replays of that heavy Osstruppen spam that was circulating a couple of weeks ago?

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2021, 18:08 PMelchino7

Does someone have several videos/replays of that heavy Osstruppen spam that was circulating a couple of weeks ago?

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2021, 20:04 PMSander93

Perhaps tomorrow's stats (when April is added to the monthly statistics) will be different, but the automatch stats from March do not indicate any real resurgence of Osttruppen in 1v1. The commander not even in the top 10 most picked. Top 200 players.

Looking at the weekly stats for April, Osttruppen are in the exact same position (11 on popularity).

https://coh2stats.com/stats/month/1614556800/1v1/wermacht?statsSource=top200


I have no interest or stake in Osttruppen as a teamgames player, but based on these and the ML stats I'd say it would probably be best to just revert all the buffs in the preview just to be sure but not nerf them either, and just see how they'll do in the upcoming weeks.

Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2021, 20:32 PMmiragefla

Ostruppen vs Conscripts
Truppen win at long-range, around equal at mid and lose up close. This match up, however is mainly focused on positioning and who is in cover first.

Ostruppen vs Conscripts
Defeat Riflemen at long-range, lose at mid and short.

Ostruppen vs Infantry Section
Lose to IS at long-range, loses slightly at mid and wins at short range

Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2021, 20:32 PMmiragefla

Ostruppen vs Riflemen
Defeat Riflemen at long-range, lose at mid and short.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2021, 12:48 PMKatitof

This I find particularly hilarious, given how even grens themselves are balanced to lose to rifles at all ranges, just not as badly at long.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2021, 15:57 PMBetterDead ThanRed

RANT WARNING:
When OSTTR was placed in T1 together with grens, IMO OSTTR lost its purpose, Being so similar to Grens.

would prefer if it was buildable in T0 (HQ) together with pio's and MG42's, as i still find its function best as a T1 skip/Gren replacement.