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OKW also has 4 close to mid range squads (Strums, Volks, Pfus, and Fallschirmjägers) but what OKW does lack a mainline long range combat infantry

So do soviets and USF.
That isn't an argument nor a problem.
That's how faction is balanced.

then just make them a 4 model squad and give gren kar98ks, that way OKW players have a choice to go with Volks a more durable 5 model mid to close range squad that can build sandbags or go with Pfus a more fragile 4 model long range squad that can get access to LMG42 or Panzerschrecks

Why give them mini Obers????

OKW does have long range 4 man squad already.... 2 in fact.

DO you mean Obers and JLI???

Why give them mini Obers????

no its to give OKW a Grenadier equivalent unit

OKW also has 4 close to mid range squads (Strums, Volks, Pfus, and Fallschirmjägers) but what OKW does lack a mainline long range combat infantry

M8 i don't about you but a single FG42 has the same max range dps as a single Bren LMG and has higher dps than a BAR(equal to mando sten) at close range i'd call em every range.

no its to give OKW a Grenadier equivalent unit

But Grens are mini OBERs

M8 i don't about you but a single FG42 has the same max range dps as a single Bren LMG and has higher dps than a BAR(equal to mando sten) at close range i'd call em every range.

Fallschirmjägers are overpowered and have needed a nerf for a long time

Fallschirmjägers are overpowered and have needed a nerf for a long time

Not really. Considering LGM para's are stronger at long range and are far more tanky. And just about every
cqc infantry squad are more tankier then them + allied infantry in general are more resilient and have higher dps. If you don't consider Shocks, Rangers, Paras, Mandos too be OP and long deserved of nerfs than Falls don't deserve it either.

Not really. Considering LGM para's are stronger at long range and are far more tanky. And just about every
cqc infantry squad are more tankier then them + allied infantry in general are more resilient and have higher dps. If you don't consider Shocks, Rangers, Paras, Mandos too be OP and long deserved of nerfs than Falls don't deserve it either.

All of those squads have a preferred range, though. Fallschirmjager are exceedingly strong at /every/ range.

STGs and (non JLI/Sniper)G43s have pretty much the same role, though... It's just that G43s are better at it.

Ah this now reminds me of the gun confusion because I always see the STG as a great close range gun and okay mid range, G43 as great mid range and okay other ranges.

Forget the guns, what I mean is Volks should be a mid range unit and Fussies should be a close range unit. That way there are different roles. JLI serves sniper role, Ober serves long range role. Fallschirmjager serves run and gun and ambush role.

Now everyone is happy.

OKWs CQB unit is an engineer unit that you don't want to spam. Fussies can be a CQB unit you can make many of, like Shock troops

All of those squads have a preferred range, though. Fallschirmjager are exceedingly strong at /every/ range.

Ok, so what is the preferred Range for LMG Para's vs Grens/Volks/LMG obers??? the answer is every range.
What do you think the preferred of 2x LMG mandos are vs PG's/IR obers/LMG Obers??? the answer is every range.
Those squads are also extremely strong at all ranges.

Ah this now reminds me of the gun confusion because I always see the STG as a great close range gun and okay mid range, G43 as great mid range and okay other ranges.

Forget the guns, what I mean is Volks should be a mid range unit and Fussies should be a close range unit. That way there are different roles. JLI serves sniper role, Ober serves long range role. Fallschirmjager serves run and gun and ambush role.

Now everyone is happy.

OKWs CQB unit is an engineer unit that you don't want to spam. Fussies can be a CQB unit you can make many of, like Shock troops

Due to the fact that they have a build time and an 80 munitions upgrade, they can't really be spammed like shocks. Building them after the early game isn't really worth it right now because of that.

The biggest problem i have with panzerfusiliers is that you have to commit to a doctrine in the first minutes of the game to use them. I would much rather have them be a 2 cp call-in (as a 6 man squad).

Not really. Considering LGM para's are stronger at long range and are far more tanky. And just about every
cqc infantry squad are more tankier then them + allied infantry in general are more resilient and have higher dps. If you don't consider Shocks, Rangers, Paras, Mandos too be OP and long deserved of nerfs than Falls don't deserve it either.

fallschirmjager squad fg42 dps

range 0: 13.752
range 15: 11.4
range 35: 6.814

Shocktroops squad dps

range 0: 12.797
range 15: 4.151
range 35: 0.182

Rangers SMG DPS

range 0: 18.412
range 15: 10.776
range 35: 0.648

Commando SMG dps

range 0: 14.133
range 15: 5.678
range 35: 0.247

Commando LMG dps

range 0: 6.174
range 15: 8.901
range 35: 12.016

paratrooper LMG dps

range 0: 6.065
range 15: 8.078
range 35: 8.936

https://coh2.serealia.ca/

Commando LMG dps

range 0: 6.174
range 15: 8.901
range 35: 12.016

paratrooper LMG dps

range 0: 6.065
range 15: 8.078
range 35: 8.936

what about the sten/Carbines they still have unless they are down to 2 model it's not like they don't deal damage.

what about the sten/Carbines they still have unless they are down to 2 model it's not like they don't deal damage.

stens are under commando SMG

Paratrooper carbine

range 0: 10.016
range 15: 4.499
range 35: 1.837

fallschirmjager squad fg42 dps

range 0: 13.752
range 15: 11.4
range 35: 6.814

Shocktroops squad dps

range 0: 12.797
range 15: 4.151
range 35: 0.182

Rangers SMG DPS

range 0: 18.412
range 15: 10.776
range 35: 0.648

Commando SMG dps

range 0: 14.133
range 15: 5.678
range 35: 0.247

Commando LMG dps

range 0: 6.174
range 15: 8.901
range 35: 12.016

paratrooper LMG dps

range 0: 6.065
range 15: 8.078
range 35: 8.936

https://coh2.serealia.ca/

This data is wrong and outdated by at least 1 patch

This data is wrong and outdated by at least 1 patch

Do you know of anywhere I can find update DPS models?

Do you know of anywhere I can find update DPS models?

I believe Hannibal is working on something at the moment.

If Fallschirmjagers really need a nerf that bad (which I am of the opinion they do not), at least keep the 4x FG42s because they're cool.

105mm Artillery Barrage

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280mm Rocket Barrage

Suggestions:
Increase penetration 70+, 60 can still deflect on static emplacements and the majority of arty abilities have much higher penetration

Buildable 20mm Flak Emplacement

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Allow the unit to gain experience

Command Panther

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Lower price of flares, they are available to Soviet mortars and infatry earlier and much cheaper.

Command Tiger

Suggestions:
Either balance the unit a Command Tank with lower stat or scrap the Command aspect and balance a heavy tank

Early Warning Flare Traps

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allow ability to be used on enemy/neutral sectors

Emergency Repairs

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For the Fatherland

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Heavy Fortification and Field Defenses

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Incendiary Munitions for Le.IG

Suggestions:
merge the ability with flame throwers
increase CD
decrease scatter the ability can easily completely miss
reduce the friendly damage can cause crew to die if it hit shot blockers

Jagdtiger

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Lower XP

King Tiger

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Le.FH 105mm

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Replace the vet 5 ability with something actually useful. Like the ability slowly respawn crew or slowly heal

Opel Blitz

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Allow the unit to transport medical kit and uncrewed support weapons

Pak43

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Panzerfusiliers

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Reduce cost and lower number of G43 to 2. Or rebalance the unit as a support unit.

Radio Silence

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Sturm Offizier

Suggestions:
lower XP value of the unit
add vet bonus the lower mu for abilities

Sturmpioneer Flamethrower

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Replace with Flamer engineer unit with stats similar to VG , that can upgrade with flamer.
Unit can upgrade with minesweeper build sandbag and normal wire.
Low Pop so that can offer support to the over burden SP

Sturmtiger

Suggestions:
Change the Squad wipe potential to utility
Increase hull mg damage
lower damage of grenades possibly change them to always on
hard cap model kill
add critical to vehicles/infantries (injured gunner/driver..)
Allow world piercing

Valiant Assault

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Move Falls reinforcement to this ability, (lock behind tech if necessary)

Zeroing Artillery
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as a primarily defensive ability lower power and cost