Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 21:30 PMStug life

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Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 21:35 PMJilet

Brace yourself, some big brain person will say "but they have snare "

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 21:30 PMStug life

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1 cost 300 and has 2 weapon slot + tier 4 upgrade bonus

the other cost 295 and 90 mun has 0 weapon slot, and is weaker early game

at close range is literally up to the last man alive


honestly can we have a real explanation on the changes to further nerf PF for no reason since they aren't even cost effective as penal (especially late game with the reinforce bonuses)

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 21:49 PMKatitof

Now, will I need to explain basics of the game, limits, fact that getting PFs doesn't restrict OKW from getting support weapons while penal opening prevents you from getting them and so on or will we stop pretending that PFs have a reason to be anywhere near the strength of penals?

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 21:58 PMDescolata

Because they don't drop any even though they have upgraded weapons?

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 21:57 PMJilet

And you are dismissing the fact that Panzerfusiliers are utter thrash early game.

Seriously what is wrong with allowing OKW infantry to be able to collect enemy equipment if they drop any ?

Same question goes for the Volksgrenadier. The fact that OKW mainlines can NOT pick up dropped weapons forces you to pick them up with something like Sturmpioneers or Obersoldaten.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 21:49 PMKatitof

And flare. And regular nades usable against infantry.
And upgrade doesn't add just G43, it adds sight and additional man.

PFs have much more to put on the table.
Penals(which PFs most certainly are not supposed to be equal with) have firepower and only firepower, they bring nothing else to the table in regular infantry fights.

Plus PFs don't compete with penals.
They complete with volks for the place in the army.

It couldn't be any less relevant what penals are capable off, because penals have to be much stronger in context of their own army.

Now, will I need to explain basics of the game, limits, fact that getting PFs doesn't restrict OKW from getting support weapons while penal opening prevents you from getting them and so on or will we stop pretending that PFs have a reason to be anywhere near the strength of penals?

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 22:13 PMjagd wölfe

Panzerfusiliers whole design ever since the 5 men start in Grand Offensive doctrine update is a mess.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 22:20 PMKatitof

Lets put them back at 2 CP, 6 men, with no AT upgrade.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 22:20 PMKatitof

Lets put them back at 2 CP, 6 men, with no AT upgrade.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 22:21 PMjagd wölfe

Agreed, with its weapon slots, vet 4 and 2 bonuses back.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 22:22 PMKatitof

And they can finally be completely irrelevant again, because you'll already have 4 volks by the time they unlock and we all know how effective double kubel BOs are, but hey, as long as it makes you stop complaining.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 22:25 PMjagd wölfe

As opposed to being irrelevant in anything but teamgames like now?

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 22:32 PMKatitof

It will break your heart, but not all doctrines, units and abilities are equally viable in all game modes and that's perfectly fine and that isn't my opinion, but what multiple members of balance team said across multiple patches.

PFs in 2s and up are potent and very frequent sight, they are also pretty difficult to fight against post first 3 minutes.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 22:32 PMKatitof

It will break your heart, but not all doctrines, units and abilities are equally viable in all game modes and that's perfectly fine and that isn't my opinion, but what multiple members of balance team said across multiple patches.
Yeah, that has nothing to do with JT uh?
PFs in 2s and up are potent and very frequent sight, they are also pretty difficult to fight against post first 3 minutes.

Partisans will never be team game unit and PFs will never be 1v1 unit.
Deal with it.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 22:37 PMjagd wölfe

Yeah, they are common because reasons, not because of JT, right?

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2021, 22:32 PMKatitof

It will break your heart, but not all doctrines, units and abilities are equally viable in all game modes and that's perfectly fine and that isn't my opinion, but what multiple members of balance team said across multiple patches.

PFs in 2s and up are potent and very frequent sight, they are also pretty difficult to fight against post first 3 minutes.

Partisans will never be team game unit and PFs will never be 1v1 unit.
Deal with it.