Commander Update Beta 2021 - Ostheer Feedback

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2021, 04:12 AMDescolata

Were. P47 got nerfed consistently. Its pretty dang close.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2021, 05:20 AMSmartie

After merging so much stuff in "advanced infantry equipment" in Rifle company, mod team should also merge the stun nades in Elite Troops with something else to a Ost version of "advanced infantry equipment".

I would recommend the smoke nade to Pgrens or Schumines to Pios.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2021, 05:20 AMSmartie

After merging so much stuff in "advanced infantry equipment" in Rifle company, mod team should also merge the stun nades in Elite Troops with something else to a Ost version of "advanced infantry equipment".

I would recommend the smoke nade to Pgrens or Schumines to Pios.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2021, 05:24 AMZeroZeroNi

wouldn't schumines at 1 cp be too late.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2021, 05:39 AMjagd wölfe

It could be merged with Breakthrough equipment so it's satchel, smoke and stun

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2021, 04:11 AMLMAO

There is a reason why it costs more previously p47 are better.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2021, 05:19 AMZeroZeroNi

But the ways to counter it are not close. The AA HT costs less, has less pop and comes earlier + it is also a defensive unit so you could put it in the back.
The 222 which comes at around the same time is no where nearly as consistent. And Ostwind comes far later and without vet is not as consistent + both of them are not defensive units.

In terms of pintles both OST and AEF have that option so you cant bring pintles as deciding factor.

USG also has doctrinal m5 as well.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2021, 07:02 AMDescolata

Unless your British, where the solutions are an expensive side tech into a fixed structure, a pricy squishy 0 AT tank, or Lend-Lease.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2021, 05:19 AMZeroZeroNi

But the ways to counter it are not close. The AA HT costs less, has less pop and comes earlier + it is also a defensive unit so you could put it in the back.
The 222 which comes at around the same time is no where nearly as consistent. And Ostwind comes far later and without vet is not as consistent + both of them are not defensive units.

In terms of pintles both OST and AEF have that option so you cant bring pintles as deciding factor.

USG also has doctrinal m5 as well.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2021, 12:47 PMKyle

This post is about the " destroy cover " Pioneer's ability.

Right now there is only 1 Ostheer's doctrine has the ability to grant Pioneer with the power to " destroy cover " (It also come bundle with PG smoke).

Is it possible to make this as default Pioneer ability just like Sapper? Maybe unlock it after building tier 2 or something?

Many Ostheer unit like Grenadier / MG42 need line of sight to fight, I think letting this ability as default ability would be nice for us Ostheer player


P/S: Also please lower the 251 MOP flare to 30 muni, same range and visibility as Soviet Mortar Flare please

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2021, 08:09 AMZeroZeroNi

This is only between USF and OST. I didn't bring the entire allies and neither should you.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2021, 15:20 PMDescolata

But CAS can and is used vs all factions. We're comparing 2 loiters, not 2 loiters vs only each other.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2021, 15:49 PMZeroZeroNi

OK then,

Brits got Bofors as well which are just 80 mp more than 222. Despite not having mobility it has better AA, Suppression AI, AV capability. There is no comparable loiter though. So can't really do anything about that.

Sovs have the quad a very efficient AA, AI and with suppression and relatively cheap considering soviets don't have munition sinks. As for Loiter their one is really poerful + the hardest to stop before doing considerable damage.

Jump back to quoted post28 Apr 2021, 22:16 PMGeblobt

I thought the 222 has better aa than pre vet2 Ostwind. But maybe i forgot some patch where that got adjusted. Anyway the 222 has good vision and good aa for its price/popcap and is useful even in the later stages of the game. I rather have a 222 than the Flak-Ht from OKW.

Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2021, 16:20 PMjagd wölfe

Osttrupped overbuff aside, G43 Grenadiers aren't that much more viable at all imo. Instead of further buffing their raw power, one could try different option that better suit the ability theme.

Suggestion:
Merge Jäger Light Infantry and Ambush Camouflage, renamed Jäger light infantry training
Replace Ambush Camouflage with Breakthrough Equipment in the Jäger Infantry Doctrine and Encirclement Doctrine, and with Assault and Hold in the Storm Doctrine