Top level player allegedly maphacking in CoH2

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2021, 23:40 PMelchino7

I'm not talking about the egregious cases which plague German players during the last months. I'm talking about the normal effects cause by the ingame input lag + the physical distance between Germany and USA ping. Add normal human time reaction to visual stimulus.

So it's basically around 0.200ms + whatever delay you get from the game. IIRC that's around 0.500ms/0.700ms for someone in UK.

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2021, 23:49 PMCreativeName

I never tested my input lag, dont know anything about ping or any related numbers... i only care if i can play the game on any given day or not so i cant answer your question. All i know is that very fast reactions are possible.

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2021, 23:31 PMPip

There's a bare minimum amount of input lag that literally any player will have simply due to how networking functions, and there's 1/5th of a second (or thereabouts) of reaction time to take into account, even if Seeking has "very fast reactions". If the replay isnt significantly desynched, then I don't think it's a reasonable thing for him to have "Reacted" to. FoW would have to be quite different in the replay to how it was in the live game for it to really make sense.

If there's an inconsistency with the replay, I'd have thought it more logical that the opposing player would appear to react slightly /slower/ than they "actually" did, rather than more quickly?

I think we need more data points/a thorough examination of Replays to know for sure one way or another tbh.

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2021, 23:50 PMT.R. Stormjäger

A_E and I tested the differences in fog of war due to input lag from distance. He'll probably be uploading a video on it tomorrow.

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2021, 01:37 AMRosbone

These two frames are a little closer in time. The FOW is still moving.


- The units seem to be not moving.
- The G43 icon is missing in both as it transfers.
- The FOW is moved.

It is important to note that the FOW may NOT be calculated every frame, but once every 100mS or something. Needs reviewed. So you may see FOW differences just due to calc sequences not being synced.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 02:04 AMelchino7

Unfortunately seems people are using your clip as "proof" of desync.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 02:04 AMelchino7

I'm sure you know that by using "," and "." on youtube you can move frame by frame.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 02:04 AMelchino7

Go to:
https://youtu.be/4d0utxORja0?t=87

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2021, 22:03 PMPip

The vehicle can still take damage from missed shots if the AOE damage penetrates, my assumption is that's what happened here, though I admit to not being an expert. It's just that the shot didn't "hit" the T-70, so an accuracy calculation either wasn't done, or didn't succeed... In either case the shot doesn't curve.

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2021, 22:10 PMSander93

Yes, but the point was that the shot seemed to curve which is only possible with a directly targeted shot. Which in turn would be impossible under normal circumstances, because the Pak 40 can't fire a second shot before the FoW reveal from the first shot wears off (tested). But as I said before, it's entirely possible that the curve is just a camera angle or replay illusion.

I suspect the curve is just an illusion, because the shot seems to miss and deal AOE damage rather than being a direct pen.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 09:27 AMLegioxRoma

what if we let seeking speak directly to accusators in a voice chat/meeting?
So that everybody involved can tell his opinion and argue about the situation?
I mean accusators collected a lot of clips, that's fine.
Seeking trying to explain the clips, that's fine.
But in both scenario there wasnt the other side ready to reply on whatever was being said.
my 2 cents.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 11:32 AMHannibal

I mean, that's what is being done?
AE said they give him one week to appeal and explain what is going on.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2021, 03:37 AMRosbone

It is just a reference. I agree and state that it is not perfectly synced. In fact you can almost never get them perfectly synced.


No I did not know this. Thanks. I never use ANY google product if I dont have too. They are the devil and no one should ever use any google stuff.

Tournament directors asked me to make a google sheet for them and I said "You make the account, because I will not." And I should have just said no. My mistake. Click on the account and it has a whole history of everything I ever searched. Fvck Google people. No Android phones, No Google, No YouTube. Pull out before its too late.


This video was broken when I tried to watch it.... f'ing Google.