British counter barrage is broken

Jump back to quoted post15 Feb 2021, 19:36 PMgeneral_gawain

The commander has Precision barrage already whixch is really strong. It makes no sense to give him a second ability of the same kind which is just a little bit weaker and cheaper. UKF needs onmap artillery the most, so remove emplacement buff ability and CB. Give him an onmap artillery piece and something like Designate Command Vehicle and it is okay.

Jump back to quoted post15 Feb 2021, 19:36 PMgeneral_gawain

The commander has Precision barrage already whixch is really strong. It makes no sense to give him a second ability of the same kind which is just a little bit weaker and cheaper. UKF needs onmap artillery the most, so remove emplacement buff ability and CB. Give him an onmap artillery piece and something like Designate Command Vehicle and it is okay.

Jump back to quoted post16 Feb 2021, 06:53 AMUnit G17

Precision Barrage is indeed quite strong, but also quite expensive, imo having it and a 25 pounder in the same doctrine wouldn't be that strong, needs testing. Thing is, I wouldn't remove that ability entirely from the game, so if it's deemed strong in this doctrine then it should be moved to an another.
Similarly wehrmacht's Storm doctrine has both a Lefh and stuka bomb, along with a recon option.

I like the command vehicle idea too, imo the Valentine tank would be a good fit if its concentrated barrage ability could work on 25 pounder emplacements too, similar to ostheer arty's officer's ability with LefHs.

Jump back to quoted post16 Feb 2021, 17:02 PMGrumpy

Give counterbarrage to the 25 pounder, that way it could be countered. Also, the Valentine would be a good alternative to the command vehicle.

Eliminating the buff to emplacements would make it easier to balance them. The normal ones seem pretty weak. Even the upgraded ones go down quickly to LEIGs and MHT's.

Jump back to quoted post16 Feb 2021, 06:53 AMUnit G17

Precision Barrage is indeed quite strong, but also quite expensive, imo having it and a 25 pounder in the same doctrine wouldn't be that strong, needs testing. Thing is, I wouldn't remove that ability entirely from the game, so if it's deemed strong in this doctrine then it should be moved to an another.

Jump back to quoted post16 Feb 2021, 18:43 PMUnit G17

Yes, I was thinking about giving CB to 25 pounder emplacement, but I'm a bit unsure about that, considering the 25 pounder, being an emplacement, would be still more durable than other static arty pieces.

Another thing to consider is wether 25 pounder would have brace or not. Personally I would say it should with the tradeoff of having shorter range than lefH, this would force players to build it closer to the frontline, thus making it a bit easier to counter.


And yes, I agree with the buff upgrade removal.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2021, 12:11 PMGrim

Getting rid of all counter-battery and call in flare abilities would improve the balance of team games immensely.

Would love to see the 25pdr as a buildable unit.

Or maybe a 'weaker' version of the 17pdr thats just a reskinned Pak43.

I dunno, just something that adds variety to emplacements rather than the current setup.

Jump back to quoted post16 Feb 2021, 19:02 PMEtherealDragon

One thing to keep in mind is that some people will try to counter howitzers with other howitzers. Having an offmap that can nuke other howitzers in a doctrine with a howitzer might be too good depending on how the 25 pounder in implemented.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2021, 12:11 PMGrim

Getting rid of all counter-battery and call in flare abilities would improve the balance of team games immensely.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2021, 18:53 PMgeneral_gawain

We already have commanders at ost and soviet with this combination of onmap artillery + delete opponent howitzer with one click.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2021, 23:42 PMEtherealDragon

Well yeah. But "There is other cancer so let's add more" isn't exactly a good idea for a good game experience. If anything I'm hopeful that the next commander revamp will take out some of the commanders with overly strong combos and smooth out the power curve a little.