Sturmtiger... why?

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2021, 18:25 PMPip

The Stuka is significantly less effective vs blobs as opposed to other rocket artillery such as the Panzerwerfer (Due to the Werfer's much larger area of effect) or the Katyusha (Due to the speed at which rockets arrive on target). If you are managing to Stuka a blob your opponent is terrible, as the linear nature of the Stuka's projectiles, and the slow speed at which it reaches the target, gives an opponent more than enough time to react, particularly if you're positing that they are able to simply dodge AVRE and Sturmtiger shots perfectly. You are also required to predict well in advance of where the blob will even go.

This linear nature is what makes it effective vs team weapons, however. They are far less responsive, and you are able to place shells precisely where the weapons are (Multiple weapons, generally, due to the length of rocket's linear placement). The Stuka is an anti-team weapon platform, not one to deal with blobs.

Also, again, UKF don't have the Stuka.

The AVRE and Sturmtiger are Meme tanks not because they are not "really needed", but because they are extremely cheesy and expensive, and very all-or-nothing.

You anecdotally having "no issue" with a lack of turret doesn't mean it isnt a weakness of the Sturmtiger, and buffing the Sturmtiger turnrate simply does nothing to counter several of the weaknesses I've suggested. I hope you realise that "Five vet" on OKW units is no longer necessarily them being "Better" at vet5 than another faction's equivalent unit at vet3, right? Its primarily a flavour thing... and on top of this, reaching veterancy 5 on a Sturmtiger takes an absolute ton of XP, you arent getting a Vet5 Sturmtiger in every game. Hell, all vet5 on the sturmtiger does is allow it to do what the AVRE can already do (At no risk, due to lacking the Sturmtiger's "lol oops you got abandoned ))" if it's shot while reloading)

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2021, 18:42 PMLMAO

So are you saying you only use and save stuka barrages for team weapons because "the infantry will just dodge it".

UKF don't have stuka, no shit sherlock. That's why they are a different faction with different units and gimmicks.

These units also were like made to counter support weapons, AT guns? I would just ignore it and fire in their face. If the at gun is well supported then I'll support my sturmtiger too. If that's not possible then just stuka it.

Let's be real here stuka works for team weapon and blobs if you don't use it versus blobs you either had no issues with blobs or just doing something wrong.

There is a reason why the AVRE and the Sturmtiger had the repotation of a meme tank because it is not REALLY needed.

so you're point is just buff sturmtiger so its better than avre. It is ok it will just cost more fuelto build than it will had ever before

Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2021, 07:17 AMCinders

This SturmTiger is complete junk. I just tried it again on a 3v3, and it just kept hitting minor obstacles like a fence or a cart and shielding the blob from most of the impact.

It can't even fire onto a slight elevation, it just kinda *thunks* the round into the side of the incline. So don't fire it near yellow cover, don't fire it up any sort of hill, it can't fire over solid objects. Even aiming at the back end of the units would cause it to fire right into the cart the unit was behind.

Well, if I ever fight a slow moving blob on a perfectly smooth pavement and that blob doesn't manage to throw every satchel imaginable on me from *about the same range as the STiger can fire*... I'll know it was all worthwhile.

I've had crap luck with that and the JagdTiger, seems like they're both glitchy af. I'd prefer if they just remove these gimmick units and make something useful.

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2021, 15:40 PMTiger Baron

I don't own nor will I ever probably own an Apple product.

However my father does own an older iPhone from around 2014 from which year I also have a Sony Xperia Z3.

The difference is that my phone has better specifications while his is more expensive, for some "unknown" reason.

Just the other day it's battery also died suddenly simply because it was a bit too cold for it while mine had no such problem, again both phones from around the same time, his being more expensive, mine being cheaper.

Plus as I said previously Apple forcing down software updates on their older products in order to make way for their new ones as you can see here: https://www.computerworld.com/article/3599141/apples-iphone-slowdown-ploy-was-ridiculous-even-by-apple-standards.html

I'm also not sure what you mean with breaking new grounds exactly when as far as I'm aware they're further back than Android phones in terms of features even but since it has more "prestige" to it loyal customers such as yourself I'm guessing keep buying into it thinking that they're superior while just simply paying more for what you'd get in another brand's phones but whatever.

Anyway back to the topic at hand, I believe that there's still a bit of room left to experiment and finally fix, improve or change the Sturmtiger as Olek has proven but it seems like both the developers and community team have given up so whatever is being written here is falling on deaf ears which comes as no surprise.

Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2021, 07:17 AMCinders

This SturmTiger is complete junk. I just tried it again on a 3v3, and it just kept hitting minor obstacles like a fence or a cart and shielding the blob from most of the impact.

It can't even fire onto a slight elevation, it just kinda *thunks* the round into the side of the incline. So don't fire it near yellow cover, don't fire it up any sort of hill, it can't fire over solid objects. Even aiming at the back end of the units would cause it to fire right into the cart the unit was behind.

Well, if I ever fight a slow moving blob on a perfectly smooth pavement and that blob doesn't manage to throw every satchel imaginable on me from *about the same range as the STiger can fire*... I'll know it was all worthwhile.

I've had crap luck with that and the JagdTiger, seems like they're both glitchy af. I'd prefer if they just remove these gimmick units and make something useful.

Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2021, 08:18 AMmrgame2

I dont remember 2014 but recent years, Apple phone cpu are way better than Android. Sony Google or Samsung whatever are 1-2 years behind Apple cpu.

As for Sturm, i vote for asymmetry, no need to make it like Brumbar or Avre. Personally i dont play Okw, but i seen 2v2 games where Sturm did ok. If it is worse than Brum or Aver, i rather decrease it costs or upkeep rather than change its specs. Imo

Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2021, 13:21 PMPip

The trick is to always fire behind where you "want" the shell to land, because it always falls short. Doing so makes it much more reliable. Elevation differences makes this more tricky.

I'm not saying this is a good thing to have to do, as A. Soldier has stated, this is kind of an unintuitive game mechanic/"strategy" to have to make use of, and I'd prefer it to be changed... but while it isnt, this is how you make the Sturm (or AVRE) much more reliable/usable.



A: "Better" in what way. What exactly makes an Apple processor "Better" than an "Android" processor?

B: You don't play OKW, but you've "seen" 2v2 games where it did "ok", so this makes the unit fine as it is? Second-hand "experience" isnt much of a yardstick for balance.

Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2021, 19:29 PMCinders

You guys are right, it will probably sit as afk as a "glitchy af unit" until enough attention is garnered that it is not working or, better yet, someone figures out how to exploit its glitched mechanics.

But thanks for the advice. I've tried aiming at the far BACK END of the enemy units and it just punts the round into the dirt well short of that. I'd love to have my replay where I hit a 3 squad blob in the open... and only 1 rifleman died, leaving 17/18 to keep going. That brave, brave rifleman absorbed that 30 megaton blast for the rest of his unit!

Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2021, 20:50 PMPip

Sorry to say, you might have a little skewed interpretation of what happened in that game. If you actually hit the three squads you 100% would not have killed only a single man, and not even HEAVILY have damaged the other 17.

Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2021, 21:09 PMOlekman

I think he meant that the round fell way shorter than it should, which is indeed the case when Sturmtiger is on a slope. The steepness also affects how much short it will fall, so it's not like you can memorize where it will land in regard to target reticle.

Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2021, 22:18 PMSander93

That's why you simply shouldn't use the Sturmtiger on maps with a lot of elevation, the same way you don't use a Jagdtiger in urban maps or a Tiger on Red Ball Express.

Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2021, 22:18 PMSander93

That's why you simply shouldn't use the Sturmtiger on maps with a lot of elevation, the same way you don't use a Jagdtiger in urban maps or a Tiger on Red Ball Express.

Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2021, 22:38 PMPip

The problem is that from the default perspective, it's sometimes difficult to ascertain how rough terrain actually is. The Sturmtiger's issue with wobbly maps is one of those "downsides" that only really exists because of an oversight.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2021, 13:42 PMDerKuhlmann

Sturm tiger is fine, just l2p
Also you can multiple sturmtigers if abuse the reload bug

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2021, 16:07 PMTiger Baron

So going by your logic the USF pop cap exploit was also fine and people just needed to learn on how to abuse it regularly with the decrewing of vehicle crews?

Just brilliant.