Smartie's commander reworks: USF

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2021, 14:19 PMVipper

You are the one failing to understand that the only thing I have posted so far it that your claim about the one commander is false.

On top of that you are responding to fabricated things I have not posted anything about.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2021, 15:56 PMthedarkarmadillo

If every, or almost every commander provides the tool in one way or another its not quite as big a problem. Not that I'm even suggesting only doctrinal options-I'm not nor was I. Exile is pissy because a usf Panther clone is a God awful idea and I told him such so he ignored my multiple declarations that usf medium AT needs brought up to snuff to accompany the Jackson nerf to try and make me look like he.

Elite zooks on officers would help not only with usf medium AT but also make the officers feel... More,for example.
More accessible HVAP on the 57mm via price reduction would help
Sherman AP could be looked at and made more AT with a bit less AOE.

There are options but I maintain, the do it all Jackson is overshadowing a number of USF vehicles and smothering diversity.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2021, 22:59 PMTygrys

Wolverine would need some serious looking into if Jackson were ever to be brought down in terms of AT. The only times I remember getting a Wolverine was when first trying the doctrine out and after that only if I/my team was completely rolling over the axis.
On that note including the Pershing in any list but a meme one shows how little some people know about how mediorce it is.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2021, 23:10 PMProtos Angelus

Everyone knows how mediocre pershing is. Nobody dares to touch it ATM because you'll see a lot of whereaboo screams. Wolverine is actually not that bad. Used it a couple of times in 3v3s to great effect with it's hit and run. It does fall off once the heavier stuff starts rolling out, but the whole point of playing USF in teamgames is to lock down the game early on. Don't think it's possible to win super late game vs a good OKW/OST combo players (as USF without soviets in team)

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2021, 23:10 PMProtos Angelus

Everyone knows how mediocre pershing is. Nobody dares to touch it ATM because you'll see a lot of whereaboo screams. Wolverine is actually not that bad. Used it a couple of times in 3v3s to great effect with it's hit and run. It does fall off once the heavier stuff starts rolling out, but the whole point of playing USF in teamgames is to lock down the game early on. Don't think it's possible to win super late game vs a good OKW/OST combo players (as USF without soviets in team)

Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2021, 00:14 AMAlphrum

pershing is meme unit??? how is the pershing medicore? ive used it so many times and think its a very good unit.



the only whereaboo here is you. The reason ppl dont go pershing is the same reason thedarkarmadillo been talking about. If you need AT you go jackson, if you need AI usf have exclelent INF and HE sherman if you want AI on tracks. Ive used pershing many times in conjuction with jacksons, making the pershing more of damage sponge, very good AI and can suppport the jacksons in AT.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2021, 22:21 PMthedarkarmadillo

you guys saying the jackson needs to be good because its all there is are not reading what i am saying
MAKE THE OTHER STOCK OPTIONS BETTER AND TONE DOWN THE JACKSON
yes. RIGHT NOW it has to be good because the stock options are not great
YES there is no real stock alternative
YES it has to be good against heavy armour

BUT in its current state it is taking the role of 2 sherman variants and the m10 as well as its own
this is BAD for diversity AND balance. this means that any doctrine with these vehicles is automatically obsolete and working at 80% of a full commander loadout (except the mechanized one that has like 12 vehicles and 15 abilities, but thats the result of trying to make a commander with a medium AT tank attractive when the Jackson already fills the role better)

Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2021, 08:11 AMEsxile

Sherman variants/m10 =! stock option.

what's the only line that is entirely caps in the quoted text say? It's the very first bit of caps in the stuff you wuoted

And it is not like everyone here has not already proposed solutions to make USF less dependant on the Jackson with the only result of the balance team adjusting the Jackson price and armor.
This says something: the jackson isn't going to be touched, even in this patch which is supposed to focus on CORE units, absolutely nothing has been done to modify the Jackson synergy within the USF late game.
So maybe you like to fight windmill but don't call it balance.

because they don't know what to do with it and changing it without other changes means USF could fall apart. Doesn't mean we can't talk about it especially when it's holding back multiple other vehicles and mudding up multiple doctrines as a result.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2021, 00:14 AMAlphrum

pershing is meme unit??? how is the pershing medicore? ive used it so many times and think its a very good unit.



the only whereaboo here is you. The reason ppl dont go pershing is the same reason thedarkarmadillo been talking about. If you need AT you go jackson, if you need AI usf have exclelent INF and HE sherman if you want AI on tracks. Ive used pershing many times in conjuction with jacksons, making the pershing more of damage sponge, very good AI and can suppport the jacksons in AT.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2021, 10:06 AMTygrys

I think you should look up what wehraboo means. Also yes, Pershing is average to bad. It's a fun unit but it is in no way competitive, considering it's price and performance. The rest of the doctrine is nothing to write home about either.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2021, 10:47 AMProtos Angelus

The only ability I never used is the combined arms. It shines if you blob the shit out of an enemy during some pushes but other than that, too expensive for my blood.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2021, 10:47 AMProtos Angelus

Actually, the doctrine is great IMHO. The offmap smoke is absolutely great in a pinch. Saved my ass plenty of times. Sandbags/mines is great. Rangers are a bit pop heavy but put 3 zooks on them and you have a medium killing squad that does not have the range of the AT gun but also much more mobile + nade (great for baiting tanks into them). The only ability I never used is the combined arms. It shines if you blob the shit out of an enemy during some pushes but other than that, too expensive for my blood.
People saying that they had fun with Pershing is such an indicator of it's non-meme status... I still play the Pershing commander quite often. Also, one big fat lie I spotted is having Pershing and JacksonS (multiple). Unless you have no rangers/paks/AT guns/AA HT or anything like that, you won't fit a Pershing and Jacksons into a winning roster, especially not if the enemy has more than one AT gun.

I also never play the Sherman. Not planning to get a tank just for it's AI and god forbid another tank charges and you have to switch shells. Pak howis and AA HT do the trick just fine.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2021, 10:47 AMProtos Angelus

Actually, the doctrine is great IMHO. The offmap smoke is absolutely great in a pinch. Saved my ass plenty of times. Sandbags/mines is great. Rangers are a bit pop heavy but put 3 zooks on them and you have a medium killing squad that does not have the range of the AT gun but also much more mobile + nade (great for baiting tanks into them). The only ability I never used is the combined arms. It shines if you blob the shit out of an enemy during some pushes but other than that, too expensive for my blood.
People saying that they had fun with Pershing is such an indicator of it's non-meme status... I still play the Pershing commander quite often. Also, one big fat lie I spotted is having Pershing and JacksonS (multiple). Unless you have no rangers/paks/AT guns/AA HT or anything like that, you won't fit a Pershing and Jacksons into a winning roster, especially not if the enemy has more than one AT gun.

I also never play the Sherman. Not planning to get a tank just for it's AI and god forbid another tank charges and you have to switch shells. Pak howis and AA HT do the trick just fine.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2021, 01:27 AMtheekvn

sadly, Compere to all heavy tank, M26 is the weakest. Panther can win it in 1v1, AI and heatlh cant win tiger or quick enough to moving around the map.

• Provide staying power, the ability to directly remain in a fight for longer periods of time before resorting to hit/reverse strategy.
  
• Converting recuperation costs from resources (manpower, fuel) into repair time, thus helping to spread resource/repair economy more evenly across your composition and generally saving resources in the long run.
  
• Frontload DPS into big blasts, resulting in more wipes.
  
• Fitting multiple roles (damage sponge, AI, AT) into relatively small amount of pop, making your overall composition more efficient in relation to popcap.