[Winter Balance Update] OKW Feedback

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:16 PMSkysTheLimit

Bullshit. Range of AT guns makes that point moot

Plus the matches where you would do this are long ones with camping anyway. Cause your target would be artillery

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:20 PMVipper

Feel free to provide a replay with zis creeping in the back line even if it lost or even how long it going to get to do so.

Even if RW manage to get behind enemy lines before a game is the chance of RW successfully retreating from the back lines is extremely low so it hardly an issue.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:20 PMVipper

As I have also pointed out there are also other solution. The currently implementation is simply bad for the reason I have explained.

Feel free to suggested another solution.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:24 PMSkysTheLimit

They already tried slower speed and it was removed. The vet 1 speed bonus went from 100% to 25% before they changed it to locking in place......

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:24 PMSkysTheLimit

You have no right to request replays from anyone. If that's your standard than most of your arguments can get tossed out the window

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:24 PMSkysTheLimit

I'm only talking about your suggestion that giving them movement isn't a balance issue

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:40 PMVipper

That is inaccurate and irrelevant.

RW had camo from vet 0 and could move faster than Zis/M-42.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:40 PMVipper

You have claimed that zis can be moved behind enemy lines. I have never seen that be done successfully. Have you ever done that successfully or are you just theorizing?

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:40 PMVipper

It is not. Other ATG have and it is not an issue and it has not cause any issues.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:44 PMSkysTheLimit

It is not inaccurate at all. It was not that much faster after the speed bonus nerf, it was still wicked slow and still used for creeping

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:44 PMSkysTheLimit

I literally told you it can't be done successfully. Because it can't retreat

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:44 PMSkysTheLimit

Yes I'm theorizing? Like that's a problem for you?

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:44 PMSkysTheLimit

Other AT guns can't retreat. If you think Rak should lose retreat, I agree

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:48 PMVipper

Do you have any idea what the speed of cloak zis/M-42 is? it was allot faster.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 17:57 PMSkysTheLimit

How can you not see it? It allows you to be so much more aggressive with it, with or without cloaking

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:53 PMElaindil

Can you provide an example of this consistency change being OP? Like you still move your raketens aggressively with or without cloak so there's no point arguing this one.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:52 PMSkysTheLimit

Yes I am aware. It was a LOT faster when the bonus was 100%, then it was nerfed. And that was still at vet 1, the vet 0 cloaked rak was slow

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:52 PMSkysTheLimit

The retreat function is relevant to ANY change you make with the Rak. Under no circumstances is it irrelevant

You can't say something like "there is no reason for this unit to behave differently then others" when it already behaves differently in one of the most fundamental ways possible

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:56 PMSkysTheLimit

Yeah I just said that... That's a balance issue all by itself is my point

The example is the old Rak? Did you play the game during the Rak creeping?

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:59 PMElaindil

But requiring the player to consciously toggle and untoggle this button just to move is just dumb when there's not a SINGLE other unit who needs that.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:59 PMVipper

And it vet 0 RW was still a lot faster than zis/M-42 that has speed bellow 1.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 19:04 PMSkysTheLimit

I am not arguing against this

I think that the Rak retreating is a problem independently of it's camo function. My point is that improving that function while it still has a feature it shouldn't is not a good idea

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 19:12 PMElaindil

As long as the balance team tests this and adjusts the cloaked moving speed, it will be fine. Don't know about you but I personally suffered from this non-moving crap and it just doesn't make any sense. And I just stopped using raketen cloaking altogether because of it. Though you might say it's a matter of git-gud but I say it's a non-intuitive crap and feels as if we had to reload HMGs ourselves.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 19:49 PMthedarkarmadillo

Creeping rak was cancer why are we even pretending otherwise? It's a hard no for its return from me

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:40 PMVipper

Current implementation is player unfriendly and unit has inferior vet bonuses. Either fix the camo or removed and fix the vet bonuses.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 16:34 PMVipper

Pls change the RF camo.

RW is the only atg that become immobile when in camo and implementation is very player unfriendly.

Either make the camo passive and automatic when stationary or allow the unit to move at lower speed like other atg with camo.

If one use attack order the unit will stop once cloaked but will continue to "remember" the attack order and move once it is revealed for any reason (AOE damage, reckon planes, firing).