[Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2020, 14:33 PMGiaA

My preferred solution:

- Move PTRS to Cons, unlocked with T1 build
- Penal AT Satchels get unlocked with AT nade tech

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2020, 15:20 PMJibberJabberJobber

I've thought about a similar approach myself and I agree it is a more wholesome solution to fix T1's AT problem. The PTRS upgrade for Penals always felt a bit shoehorned into T1.

Balance wise, it would have a much greater impact than improving the PTRS upgrade on Penals. T1 would have access to more sandbags (and other utility) from the PTRS Conscripts. Penals would be able to focus fully on their AI role. Giving AT satchels to all Penals would also be a big (maybe unnecessary) change. T1 would be played very differently from now.

It's an interesting idea that would definitely be worth testing, but it would require further finetuning like Vipper said.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2020, 15:20 PMJibberJabberJobber

I've thought about a similar approach myself and I agree it is a more wholesome solution to fix T1's AT problem. The PTRS upgrade for Penals always felt a bit shoehorned into T1.

Balance wise, it would have a much greater impact than improving the PTRS upgrade on Penals. T1 would have access to more sandbags (and other utility) from the PTRS Conscripts. Penals would be able to focus fully on their AI role. Giving AT satchels to all Penals would also be a big (maybe unnecessary) change. T1 would be played very differently from now.

It's an interesting idea that would definitely be worth testing, but it would require further finetuning like Vipper said.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2020, 15:20 PMJibberJabberJobber

I've thought about a similar approach myself and I agree it is a more wholesome solution to fix T1's AT problem. The PTRS upgrade for Penals always felt a bit shoehorned into T1.

Balance wise, it would have a much greater impact than improving the PTRS upgrade on Penals. T1 would have access to more sandbags (and other utility) from the PTRS Conscripts. Penals would be able to focus fully on their AI role. Giving AT satchels to all Penals would also be a big (maybe unnecessary) change. T1 would be played very differently from now.

It's an interesting idea that would definitely be worth testing, but it would require further finetuning like Vipper said.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2020, 16:06 PMKatitof

It leaves Tank Hunters PTRS upgrade in question.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2020, 16:09 PMGiaA

As mentioned above Tank Hunter PTRS would maintain at least some kind of (theoretical) relevance because you'd be able to get them without T1. Imo decreased relevance of an already irrelevant doctrine is a small sacrifice for a change that would vastly increase the amount of possible soviet openings and finally serve as a solution for the penal identity crisis.

Edit: Plus a doctrine patch has already been hinted at. So tankhunter may very well get a rework either way.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2020, 16:13 PMKatitof

You still could put "specialist training" or sth instead for dank hunters, so PTRS cons with the doc would have 5 more range or sth on top of what it already provides.

However, it all depends on how PTRS will be improved to have a relevant place in late game as AT weapon.
No one ever said a thing about Guards exclusively because of its AI usefulness, but cons/penals one are never worth it for the weapon and you pick them exclusively to zone out armor through abilities.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2020, 09:28 AMSupremeStefan

Pen frontally? Dude in this scenerio Axis player must be braindead and his friends too.
Ele in good hands is almost impossible to catch.
I have no idea why jager armor still exist in current form. Self spotting heavy armored tank destroyer with little micro input can counter all alied tanks and u cant even use static howitzers because recon and stuka offmap exist hmm balanced. Frankly this is meta problem and should be fixed now.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2020, 15:42 PMGiaA

There's a few things to consider. Like tank hunter doc would probably need a rework? I guess it would maintain its value with T2 builds but still.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2020, 16:06 PMKatitof

It leaves Tank Hunters PTRS upgrade in question.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2020, 16:48 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Tune PTRS Penals to counter LVs with the upcoming PTRS change, then once T4 is up give players the option to pay 60 munis to downgrade back to SVTs as a stock penal squad that can’t upgrade again and doesn’t have a satchel snare anymore.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2020, 18:10 PMOlekman

Perhaps allow Penals to swap between PTRS and SVTs after T4? Just like Pios can swap sweepers.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2020, 18:10 PMOlekman

Perhaps allow Penals to swap between PTRS and SVTs after T4? Just like Pios can swap sweepers.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2020, 16:48 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Tune PTRS Penals to counter LVs with the upcoming PTRS change, then once T4 is up give players the option to pay 60 munis to downgrade back to SVTs as a stock penal squad that can’t upgrade again and doesn’t have a satchel snare anymore.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2020, 18:22 PMT.R. Stormjäger

I had this idea, but they said no "anti everything" infantry allowed. Therefore allowing a downgrade back to the initial 6 SVTs seems to be the best idea since PTRS package is best suited for the LV phase.