[Winter Balance Update] OST Feedback

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 05:10 AMmrgame2

agree, no reason to lock 5men stg gren as a doctrine ability if they end up performing like volks? lol wut, taking up a bonus space....

may as well make 5 men upgrade a t4 base build unlock...at least they can go against 7 men cons late games..

vsl maybe add another officer to be 6 men, with field officer abilities..

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 06:49 AMvgfgff

Preview patch 5.0. gren vet3 + mg42 vs cons 7 men
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D7Zux1ZFprxK2v4DHQRFhE6Fi4lovzW1/view?usp=sharing
here a result you can do another test if you not agree with.

Ostheer design is quality of unit per model but soviet is quantity.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 06:57 AMZeroZeroNi

why would they perform like volks??? They are quite strong. I'm just asking if this is a nerf on top of another nerf.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2021, 17:25 PMKatitof

Agree, command panther should not have 50 sight range anymore.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 06:57 AMZeroZeroNi

why would they perform like volks??? They are quite strong. I'm just asking if this is a nerf on top of another nerf.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 07:07 AMmrgame2

i dont know. the nerfs sounds like vsl grens are now closer to volks than their original design which can go toe toe with commandos and shocks and bars rifes.

anyone know how the nerf vsl grens goes up against the buff penals in the patch?
by the time vsl is reinforced with 5 men, i guess penals will be at 1-2 star vet.
how do they compare?

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 07:07 AMmrgame2

i dont know. the nerfs sounds like vsl grens are now closer to volks than their original design which can go toe toe with commandos and shocks and bars rifes.

anyone know how the nerf vsl grens goes up against the buff penals in the patch?
by the time vsl is reinforced with 5 men, i guess penals will be at 1-2 star vet.
how do they compare?

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 07:15 AMZeroZeroNi

you do realize without stg upgrade volks are weaker than base 4 man grens right??? The stg change will change their non transfer able g43 to a volks stg so they don't 1 volley models. Now as far as I remember that stg was quite weaker than g43 in terms of everything. But i wonder if this will be too week. They already lost their 10% rec acc now to lose that much dps will be quite harsh.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 07:26 AMAerohank

Surely the Grens themselves will also have gotten some vet before they get upgraded with VSL.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 07:15 AMZeroZeroNi

Now as far as I remember that stg was quite weaker than g43 in terms of everything. But i wonder if this will be too week. They already lost their 10% rec acc now to lose that much dps will be quite harsh.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 09:24 AMSander93

Check the numbers first before rushing to conclusions.


https://ibb.co/vQZCXvZ

DPS at point blank goes down, mid range goes up, max range goes down very slightly. Moving accuracy for the entire squad will be slightly lower. Burst potential with the G43 switched to non-focus fire damage spread for the STG44.

So all in all a small decrease / redistribution in firepower, but nothing major.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 03:58 AMthedarkarmadillo

Even more intense micro? Does a 3% increased chance to be penned really drastically change your play? Like before if the enemy had a TD shooting at it you with an 85% chance to pen you would take the risk, but if it grew to 88% it would be over, GG, Gotta blast?

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 09:24 AMSander93

Check the numbers first before rushing to conclusions.


https://ibb.co/vQZCXvZ

DPS at point blank goes down, mid range goes up, max range goes down very slightly. Moving accuracy for the entire squad will be slightly lower. Burst potential with the G43 switched to non-focus fire damage spread for the STG44.

So all in all a small decrease / redistribution in firepower, but nothing major.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 10:04 AMKyle

Not drastically but it's not gonna be the same isn't it?

And yeah I do 3 hours of 2vs2 everyday and 9 out 10 game I use brumbar, I notice the thing that mostly bounce from my front armor is AT gun round, those Allies TDs already most of the time pen my ass.

So if you gonna ask me about " risk taking " then yeah, most of the time I take my risk to do Bunker buster against Allies AT gun so that's worry me a bit.

Just my personal opinion man. I used to be ostwind main but the armor is just not good enough so I switch to brumbar/

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 10:00 AMmrgame2

anyone tested live vsl with patched vsl against allies infantry?

the strength of vsl is to first strike to drop allies dps.

imo any loss in performance against stock allies infantry is very unfair.

any loss in performance against allies call-in infantry is unfair.

i think vsl is 2 or 3 cp with longer deploy times than allies.

what compensation does vsl gets to select its doctrine?

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 10:08 AMZeroZeroNi

m8 that's a 20% ish decrease in both close max range. That is not small though. Did you do a test to see weather their combat performance remains similar.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 10:10 AMmrgame2

i cry hard in frustation.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 10:08 AMZeroZeroNi

m8 that's a 20% ish decrease in both close max range. That is not small though. Did you do a test to see weather their combat performance remains similar.