[Winter Balance Update] OST Feedback

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2020, 15:14 PMWolfsgeist

Reading the patchnotes one thing struck me as odd:

The increase in fuel to tech up to Battlephase 1 to delay/prevent light vehicle spam.

It does not only delay the 222 and halftrack, but also Pgrens, Rifle Nades and AT-Guns.
If the intention was to only delay the vehicles, then another approach would have been better.

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2020, 15:14 PMWolfsgeist

Reading the patchnotes one thing struck me as odd:

The increase in fuel to tech up to Battlephase 1 to delay/prevent light vehicle spam.

It does not only delay the 222 and halftrack, but also Pgrens, Rifle Nades and AT-Guns.
If the intention was to only delay the vehicles, then another approach would have been better.

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2020, 20:07 PMKatitof

The intention is to delay all of T2.
LVs and PGs were too opressive so early and you don't need ATG vs ultra lights.

The fuel cost of the Infanterie Kompanie is being remove and placed into Battle Phase 1. This will slow the rush into LVs before there is a response without impacting most non-commander infantry builds.

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2020, 15:39 PMVipper

Only if one skipped t1. Since T1 now has no fuel cost attached to it.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 02:26 AMWolfsgeist

But Pgrens and Rifle Nades are bound to BattlePhase 1 and the AT Gun to the T2 building, no?
And Rifle Nades being delayed is only ones concern if you got T1 in the first place.
I am not getting your point here, would you mind clarifying that for me please?

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2020, 10:26 AMKatitof

Ok.
We also need to nerf Ostwind now that T-70 is nerfed.
Also nerf PaK, because ZiS is being nerfed.
This is exactly how balance works.


Because one is overpowered meta upgrade that makes unit do things its not supposed to be doing in extremely cost efficient way and another is late game, end of the tech upgrade that leaves you with bad infantry for the whole early and mid game.


Not a singular player in existence who knows how to play this game agrees.
Its doing away and its well deserved.
It was obvious its going away for a long time already.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 10:06 AMZeroZeroNi

I guess they never realized just how bokers 5 man grens are. And to be honest i don't blame em until the pros started using this no one realized how bonkers this was even though it has been the SAME for a LONG ASS AMOUNT TIME.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 10:14 AMKatitof

Not really sure what you are talking about here.
It was very obvious how OP they are from the moment the patch went life and ost players loosened their iron fist grip off of poor tiger.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 10:50 AMZeroZeroNi

the 5-man gren upgrade has the same stats(I think, correct me if I'm wrong) since the GI Doctrine was reworked. I'm saying that I DONT BLAME PEOPLE FOR NOT REALIZING THAT THEY ARE OP because of that. Are they op if anyone looks at the stats sure, if anyone bases this on pro play it's not that apparent.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 11:02 AMKatitof

Yes, and its considered overpowered upgrade since it was implemented.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 15:31 PMNapalm

Still looking for an Elephant adjustment similar to the treatment the ISU152 received.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 15:46 PMVipper

Are asking for Elefant to get a HE rounds with range 60?

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 15:48 PMProtos Angelus

Then ISU should get 400 armour and a commander ability similar to spotting scope?

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 15:46 PMVipper

Are asking for Elefant to get a HE rounds with range 60?

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 14:26 PMZeroZeroNi

Then explain why it's getting changed so many years later. I'm not saying it's not, i'm only saying i can't fault people for not realizing this.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 06:53 AMVipper

"Infanterie Kompanie
The fuel cost of the Infanterie Kompanie is being remove and placed into Battle Phase 1. This will slow the rush into LVs before there is a response without impacting most non-commander infantry builds.
- Fuel cost removed
- Portion of Command Points (gained by building structures) moved to Battle Phase 1 research

Battlephase 1
- Fuel price from 40 to 50"
It seem that mod want the Ostheer to research all tech and build all building.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 19:02 PMWolfsgeist

Oh, so the T1 building is free, now I get it.
Thanks for the time and patience!

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2020, 14:26 PMZeroZeroNi

Then explain why it's getting changed so many years later. I'm not saying it's not, i'm only saying i can't fault people for not realizing this.