Posts: 356
youre also ignoring the fact that the soviets NEED to build T2 for the AT gun if they go T1...
thats another 160/15 to the pricetag....
Posts: 1979
The part in question. You're claiming SOVs need T2 for AT. Why do SOVs need AT if OST doesn't have to build any buildings capable of armor? You absolutely need a field gun for the terrifying armored monstrosity that is the 250?
Posts: 356
because the zis gun is integral to soviet lategame play...
1. barrage can disloge team weapons and control blobs...
2. as with all facs AT guns are required to repel medium armor... AT infantry will not suffice unless you are some 4v4 player... AT walls are very much meta is any gamemode for a good reason...
Posts: 1979
Right. So ZiS is completely irrelevant to pgren timing, and you only mentioned it because you were pathetically grasping for anything to buttress your broken argument about costs.
Posts: 356
it is relevant to your retarded point of building sniper/M3/T1 to counter pgrens...
maybe if youve never derailed the pgren discussion with your halfarsed "ideas" for a counter we could steer the discussion back to pgrens appropriately as opposed to discussing how retarded soviet teching is...
in any case as ive said before pgrens come much earlier than their intended counter (allied LVs) and the influence they exert as an earlygame NONDOCTRINAL elite seems quite insane...
Posts: 356
read your own post retard
of course its fucking relevant... my whole point was to disprove this entire post and how fucking stupid it is to try to go T1 at all vs ostheer...
the whole point is the paragraph you have made above is nothing but nonsense... now stop being intellectually dishonest and admit your mistake
Posts: 1979
If you really want to go t2 against pgrens make a sacrifice and build maxims.
Posts: 97
now i know you dont play the soviets...
KV-1 is simply not a bad tank as you claimed.
Posts: 290
neither rifles nor conscripts can beat grenadiers in long range combat...
a 4 man squad that can beat a 6 man squad at medium-long range... they exchange durability for DPS
Posts: 1979
Wrong again, UKF beats grens easily almost any range and even more when they are 5 man squad.
grens dont even need to put sandbags... unlike conscripts they dont need to close the distance vs the opponent... (unless its sections)
Rifles & Conscripts aren't usually forced to stay on long range fight and they shouldn't either do that unless there is some flanking maneuver going on.
This started anyway with grens not needing cover which is still very wrong thing to say.
Posts: 97
Why do you continue to cry about soviets in a thread about and OST unit? If pgrens were the source of imbalance you'd be talking about pgrens, yet you keep crying "but muh soviets".
Posts: 356
in any case as ive said before pgrens come much earlier than their intended counter (allied LVs) and the influence they exert as an earlygame NONDOCTRINAL elite seems quite insane...
This whole thread has been built from the point of SOV-OST match up since SOV is the faction sturggling with PGs
Posts: 1979
Ahh yes Pgrens intended counter the AEC or Stuart.
Posts: 97
SOV is struggling ergo nerf OST?
Neither of you play any faction other than SOVs. If you did you'd realize that OST has 2 other match-ups that Pgrens are balanced around. Your short-sighted reasoning will make 2 problems for every problem you fix.
I'm done with your circular "but muh poor SOVs".
Posts: 783
Ask yourself why you are comparing SOV pgren counters to OST openers that don't even include a single pgren in the cost.
The height of intellectual dishonesty.
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