Conscript 7th men too much?

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2020, 13:26 PMGarrett

I think the issue at hand is not necessarily the 7-man-upgrade, but the ability to build sandbags (and way better sandbags than the normal ones at that). The problem aren't the 7 men per se, as they are still cons, but it's 7 men in heavy cover when you have to push plus their insane utility with molotovs and AT-nades.

In conclusion, maybe upgrading them to a 7-men-cons should lose them the ability to construct sandbags or something along that line? What do you think about that?

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2020, 15:00 PMSpoof

I'm pretty sure the 7th man adds a veteran squad leader bonus that gives them cover buffs like the British. Could get rid of that if it's too much.

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2020, 13:26 PMGarrett

I think the issue at hand is not necessarily the 7-man-upgrade, but the ability to build sandbags (and way better sandbags than the normal ones at that). The problem aren't the 7 men per se, as they are still cons, but it's 7 men in heavy cover when you have to push plus their insane utility with molotovs and AT-nades.

In conclusion, maybe upgrading them to a 7-men-cons should lose them the ability to construct sandbags or something along that line? What do you think about that?

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2020, 19:41 PMT.R. Stormjäger

I think you're absolutely clueless if you look at STG Volks that have 2 assault rifles and 7man Conscripts and think the Conscripts need to lose sandbags.

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2020, 20:18 PMVipper

Are you claiming that vet 5 VG will beat Vet 3 conscripts in a long range heavy cover fight?

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2020, 20:18 PMVipper

Are you claiming that vet 5 VG will beat Vet 3 conscripts in a long range heavy cover fight?

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2020, 20:32 PMT.R. Stormjäger

They better get rekt in a firefight from max range. They already wipe the floor with Cons when blobbed. STG Volks have no business beating any upgraded mainline from max range save Rifles.

Also it's super concerning you turn a "use of unit" post into a simple 1v1 fight. Shows a fundamental lack of understanding.

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2020, 20:43 PMVipper

Are you saying that if a blob of ST44 Volks attacks a blob of 7men conscripts in cover the VG will win?

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2020, 20:44 PMT.R. Stormjäger

????

Easily dude, why would you even ask that?

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2020, 20:44 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Also stop oversimplifying arguments.

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2020, 19:11 PMKatitof

They do have cover bonus, but its very minor one on rate of fire.
Any weapon upgrade in game outperforms 7th man and that bonus in firepower given.

It was already nerfed.

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2020, 20:54 PMSerrith

Its a -30% cooldown reduction which isn't that helpful at close range but at mid and long range is a huge dps boost.

This results in 7 man conscripts actually being able to trade efficiently with LMG42 grens at long range.

The firepower increase from the 7 man upgrade outshines any single mainline infantry firepower upgrade.

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2020, 20:54 PMSerrith

Its a -30% cooldown reduction which isn't that helpful at close range but at mid and long range is a huge dps boost.

This results in 7 man conscripts actually being able to trade efficiently with LMG42 grens at long range.

The firepower increase from the 7 man upgrade outshines any single mainline infantry firepower upgrade.

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2020, 21:40 PMthedarkarmadillo

It comes the absolute latest and also locks out the possibilities of any other weapon, even dropped ones. I think all is fair in what 7 man brings considering its rather large offsets.

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2020, 22:25 PMVipper

Actually lmg Osttruppen comes later and is far worse.

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2020, 22:36 PMKatitof

Less expensive upgrade on much cheaper squad.

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2020, 22:25 PMVipper

Actually lmg Osttruppen comes later and is far worse.

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2020, 21:00 PMKatitof

I wouldn't call ~1,2 a "huge DPS boost" that cooldown in cover provides but whatever floats your boat I guess?

(~2,2 including actual 7th model dps at long range)

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2020, 21:40 PMthedarkarmadillo

It comes the absolute latest and also locks out the possibilities of any other weapon, even dropped ones. I think all is fair in what 7 man brings considering its rather large offsets.

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2020, 23:07 PMVipper

Glad to see that you agree that is far worse.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2020, 03:42 AMSerrith

Id say a 20% increase in model dps and a 40% increase in squad DPS is fairly substantial.