Brits have nothing to counter them with. They're basically immune to any UKF infantry. Riflemen and Rangers don't cut it. I'm not sure about the Soviets. How well do Shocks and Penals do against Fallschrimjagers?
Paratroopers are about the only ones that can do the job, with the double M1919s upgrade working the best, but 4 Thompsons do okay. Rangers have 4 Thompsons too but they just seem terrible for some reason compared to Paratroopers.
Are Paras the only thing that counters Falls?
20 Sep 2020, 02:11 AM
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20 Sep 2020, 03:20 AM
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Is there a question in there somewhere?
20 Sep 2020, 04:02 AM
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You decided to release a remaster of your previous thread, where you said pretty much exactly the same, and later on proposed fallshims nerf and buffs for allies.
Why didn't you just bump it istead of creating new one, results will be the same anyway.
Why didn't you just bump it istead of creating new one, results will be the same anyway.
20 Sep 2020, 05:19 AM
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I'm trying to figure out another counter besides going USF Paratroopers.
20 Sep 2020, 14:53 PM
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Get in there, steal an elefant somehow - probably a combo of skill and combined arms and possibly a bit of luck, and turn that giant gun filled with great AI back onto those Jerrys and send those krauts back to Berlin.
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20 Sep 2020, 15:58 PM
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I'm trying to figure out another counter besides going USF Paratroopers.
I'm not sure that it will have any results replying you seriosly, without trolling, but alright I'il try.
OKW wont have fallshims for every single IS\Rifle squad. Dont fight them 1v1 fight them 2v1. If they have volks supporting focus fire fallsh.
I know that grenadirs\volks are garbage compared to penals\Rifles\IS but you shouldnt have a habbit of thinking that your Allied inf can roflstomp everything by itself without using combined arms.
If you cant counter inf with inf dont use only inf, use inderect fire\sniper\LVs\MG. Allies have best LVs for this reason.
But if its late game and OKW has AI jaghttiger supported by AI Elephant, then you lost your advantage as allies and didnt win the game or didnt snowballed into lategame. Time to suffer.
20 Sep 2020, 17:03 PM
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How do you fight commandos? How do you fight paras? How do you fight Obers? You don't fight AI specialists with infantry. You use vehicles.
20 Sep 2020, 20:42 PM
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I'm not sure that it will have any results replying you seriosly, without trolling, but alright I'il try.
OKW wont have fallshims for every single IS\Rifle squad. Dont fight them 1v1 fight them 2v1. If they have volks supporting focus fire fallsh.
I know that grenadirs\volks are garbage compared to penals\Rifles\IS but you shouldnt have a habbit of thinking that your Allied inf can roflstomp everything by itself without using combined arms.
If you cant counter inf with inf dont use only inf, use inderect fire\sniper\LVs\MG. Allies have best LVs for this reason.
But if its late game and OKW has AI jaghttiger supported by AI Elephant, then you lost your advantage as allies and didnt win the game or didnt snowballed into lategame. Time to suffer.
I'm honest to God not venting or trolling. USF I can deal Fallschrimjagers but not with UKF. It seems like the only viable opening build order is 4 IS into Platoon CP then bolster.
20 Sep 2020, 22:13 PM
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I'm honest to God not venting or trolling. USF I can deal Fallschrimjagers but not with UKF. It seems like the only viable opening build order is 4 IS into Platoon CP then bolster.
Well sure, but again its in general very viable build order that UKF play this days. If you dont want to play IS only, use Universal carrier or use Vekers. But still overall 4 IS start into bolster is still the most prominent build order overall, in any situation.
Most of the time when OKW would have 2 CP, you are able to have 4 IS on the field and bolster (ofcouse if match isnt one-sided) + I belive you can even push weapon racks (by delaying AEC) and have like 2 brens by that time.
Commandos can deal with fallshims just as good, if you ambush with them. Officer can also be very usefull as a protection from close range rushes.
Also if you truly want to have some advise, you need to give context of how you are loosing to Fallshims.
Because even if you have one 5 men IS squad in cover and fallshims rush you from long range, even if they force you to retreat they would end up being heavily beaten and would probably retreat aswell.
22 Sep 2020, 15:03 PM
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Vehicules, any type that deal damage to infrantry.
22 Sep 2020, 15:39 PM
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22 Sep 2020, 17:15 PM
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How do you fight commandos? How do you fight paras? How do you fight Obers? You don't fight AI specialists with infantry. You use vehicles.
This. And it's not like double bren 5 men tommies are weak either, falls don't exactly spank them
22 Sep 2020, 22:48 PM
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I'm trying to figure out another counter besides going USF Paratroopers.
Do you believe what did you said ?
23 Sep 2020, 02:28 AM
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Do you believe what did you said ?
I don't know, does everyone here believe the bullshit about the game being balanced with the MG42 in the state it's in?
There's your answer.
20 Oct 2020, 20:36 PM
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How do you fight commandos? How do you fight paras? How do you fight Obers? You don't fight AI specialists with infantry. You use vehicles.
Sure, but it´s not like you can afford to build Shermans and spam HE as USF in team games. That´s purely a 1v1 thing. You absolutely HAVE TO fit 2 Jacksons into your popcap (or you get destroyed by armor, and AT guns get killed in like 1.2 seconds by the Falls blob), as well as some indirect fire. Not to mention it gets destroyed way too easily by double Raks, not even counting in Axis armor. And even if you did make a Sherman, one is not enough, even on HE, to hold back a Falls blob. They just spread out and ignore it. Before it does it´s damage, all your infantry is forced back, if you´re lucky. Usually, they get at least one wipe with their ridiculous accuracy at all ranges and situations.
20 Oct 2020, 20:59 PM
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HAVE TO fit 2 Jacksons into your popcap as well as some indirect fire.
Use Decrew. You can fit 2 jacksons, 2 calies, major, ambu, 4 rifles, serg\left. You can effectively use around 120\130 pop-cap as USF.
20 Oct 2020, 21:10 PM
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Use Decrew. You can fit 2 jacksons, 2 calies, major, ambu, 4 rifles, serg\left. You can effectively use around 120\130 pop-cap as USF.
So in other words, I have to exploit/break the game in order to win. I think that was the point of the original post, lol. Not to mention that if your tanks are fighting, you wouldn´t be able to reinforce your infantry, which causes you to completely run out of momentum. It´s retarded.
20 Oct 2020, 22:26 PM
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So in other words, I have to exploit/break the game in order to win. I think that was the point of the original post, lol. Not to mention that if your tanks are fighting, you wouldn´t be able to reinforce your infantry, which causes you to completely run out of momentum. It´s retarded.
You dont have to, but you also have to right to complain since game provide you an option to have more units. If it was game exploiut\break then it would have been fixed.
If you dont like to learn how to play the game properly, then you have no right to complain about it really.
20 Oct 2020, 23:31 PM
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You dont have to, but you also have to right to complain since game provide you an option to have more units. If it was game exploiut\break then it would have been fixed.
If you dont like to learn how to play the game properly, then you have no right to complain about it really.
I am not saying it´s not possible, I am simply saying it´s fucking stupid. Also, it´s irrelevant, because Shermans get wrecked by AT anyway, so they won´t do much against infantry in the late game. The only USF vehicle that works against infantry in the late game is the Calliope. The others either get destroyed too easily (like the Sherman and the AAHT), or don´t do enough damage (like the Scott). I still have to try Armor Company, though. Maybe the 105 Sherman could do the job? At least on CQC maps, it seems like a solid choice.
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