State of the ISU-152

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 12:58 PMKatitof

Out of all things that make absolutely no sense written on this forum in this month, this one makes least sense of them all.

That idea is so bad you should feel bad for conceiving it.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 13:00 PMWiderstreit

No, because that is why ISU overperforms. Maybe you start playing that game?

Even an overperforming unit can only hold the ground if the rest can support its weak spots.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 10:57 AMVipper

People keep repeating that ISU-152 can bounce but seem to ignore that even when it bounce it does damage. It actually has one of the highest deflection damage in game.

It does 120 damage on deflection up to 162 with "mark vehicle".

On top of that it comes with 400/350/300 penetration skill shot.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 13:02 PMKatitof

JT can hurt infantry, therefore we should remove stock PaKs.

That's the level of stupid idea you've climbed on.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 12:58 PMKatitof

Out of all things that make absolutely no sense written on this forum in this month, this one makes least sense of them all.

That idea is so bad you should feel bad for conceiving it.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 13:32 PMachpawel

But what he wrote makes sense. Either make ISU less potent or make diving less punishing for the attacker. My idea would be to first make regular mines work like snares. They would cripple the engine only if the medium or heavy vehicle was already damaged.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 13:32 PMachpawel

My idea would be to first make regular mines work like snares. They would cripple the engine only if the medium or heavy vehicle was already damaged.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 13:33 PMKatitof

The sole fact you agree with him is further confirmation of the utter insanity of the idea.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 13:38 PMT.R. Stormjäger

That is idea is so bad that it's frightening.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 13:39 PMWiderstreit

hmm... little troll. Beside, I still think you are one reason this game still sucks, your forum influence
consumes a lot of potential, because you simply love broken mechanics. No insult, simply obersavation.

Maybe you start modding and move some units around, simply to see how it performs with its performance. You would cry.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 13:04 PMthedarkarmadillo

That skill shot costs 90mu if i recall...

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 13:41 PMKatitof

I think you GREATLY overestimate my personal influence on games balance.
Thanks for appreciation tho.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 13:43 PMWiderstreit

It is your saltynes and presence, making most threads start to become troll-fests or slowly die because of bad admosphere.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 13:41 PMWiderstreit

It is an idea, every idea is good because it starts a discussion.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 13:39 PMWiderstreit

Beside, I still think you are one reason this game still sucks

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 13:49 PMT.R. Stormjäger

No it's not, it's an abhorrent idea and deserves the criticism. I have the right to criticize as he has the right to post it, so cut the content policing.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 13:47 PMKatitof

Most threads are completely exhausted by 5th page, then its just repeating everything that was already said or people who never should be allowed to have ideas bringing their ideas to light.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 10:23 AMHannibal

I have no idea where you want to go with this one, especially since you continue to critique the AT capabilities. You are describing the obvious what 10+ have already iterated beforehand: You get the most value if your ISU shoots HE rounds at infantry for as long as possible.


What you are describing is the difference between a dedicated tank destroyer and a hybrid unit. With the same logic (ISU's AI is very good, the AT is allegedly bad) I could argue that the Elefant needs a big buff in the AI department, because it did not even kill a model after 10 shots. Regarding your calculation examples: A unit with 960 health would need 4 shots from both Elefant AND ISU (assuming all penetrate of course). Similarly, mediums take 3 shots to kill. The Elefant had 320 damage before and was nerfed to 300 to achieve exactly that. The main difference is in the snare potential that you need to back the units up with.
You also should know that the ISU does deflection damage which somewhat compensates the mediocre AT (or better to say penetration) of the unit.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 10:23 AMHannibal

I don't know if I understand what you want to say. Please rephrase this, because the only thing I got is that if Axis have a resource lead, they will also have more units/vehicles out, which is not surprising.
If your point is that stalling for a heavy is not worth it then don't do it? But again, maybe rephrase this because I don't know what you want to say.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 14:22 PMSumi

You need to understand that just as Panther is mediocre in AI and pretty good at AT, Pz is good at AT and AI. Su-85 has non existent AI and pretty good at AT, T-34 mediocre AI and AT. Now what I want you to understand from this statement is that all the Axis tanks have both AI and AT whereas Soviet has to field SU-85 specifically which lacks AI. Elefant and ISU fits perfectly in this jigsaw where Elefant has no AI and ISU has pretty good AI and mediocre AT for 260 fuel. I don't want to simplify this anymore.

Also in regards to snare Axis have the best of snares and it is the pivot of their structure whereas Allies suffer from it and have to spend fuel to upgrade for snares.



I never said stalling for a heavy is not worth it xD, I am calling out players who gift territory control to soviet players who are stalling for ISU and let them accumulate 260 fuel without pushing him out of territories with pz4 and pzwfr.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 11:50 AMKyle

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Also, imo ISU-152 with it HE round are good wiping machine consider Axis infantry are mainly 4 man squad, 1 HE shot is usually good enough to force retreat
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Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 14:22 PMSumi

T-34 mediocre AI

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2020, 14:47 PMMMX

the 4 man argument, as appropriate it may be in many other cases, is kind of weak for units with huge aoe like the isu152. a clumped 6 entity squad will take just as much damage per model as a clumped 4 man squad when hit dead center. and if bunched up tighly enough both are almost equally likely be nuked in a single hit.
the thing is the overall formation size, which doesn't really change much between 6 and 4 man squads is much more important than the model count for aoe damage. therefore, the time for the isu to kill a penal squad is not much greater than to wipe a gren squad - and certainly not 33% higher as the model count difference would suggest.