Is the upgrade worth it? Is it an improvement at all ranges and for all situations?
What are the DPS stats on regular PGs and what are the DPS stats on PGs upgraded with the G43?
Panzergrenadier G43
10 Jun 2020, 16:33 PM
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10 Jun 2020, 18:01 PM
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Is the upgrade worth it? Is it an improvement at all ranges and for all situations?
What are the DPS stats on regular PGs and what are the DPS stats on PGs upgraded with the G43?
If u want to fight at close range - NO
mid range and long range? - 100% yes ... its super strong unit spexially when u pick it with commander which allow you camo+sprint ability ... For me its best infantry in the game with this combo ... Once they reached vet 3 they are almost unstopable .... So yeah depends on map but mostly worth it
10 Jun 2020, 18:01 PM
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The upgrade is great not because it increases DPS but because it increase DPS on the move. This is one of the few units with great DPS on the move.
jaeger_panzergren_g43_rifle_mp 12.8/9.6/5.3/3.7
panzer_grenadier_mp44_smg_mp 15.4/12.8/7.7/3.4
jaeger_panzergren_g43_rifle_mp 12.8/9.6/5.3/3.7
panzer_grenadier_mp44_smg_mp 15.4/12.8/7.7/3.4
10 Jun 2020, 18:08 PM
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Yes its absolutely worth it
Vetted g43 pgrens are crazy strong. Damn close to being OP in my opinion, but they can be handled with any vehicle
Vetted g43 pgrens are crazy strong. Damn close to being OP in my opinion, but they can be handled with any vehicle
10 Jun 2020, 19:32 PM
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jaeger_panzergren_g43_rifle_mp 12.8/9.6/5.3/3.7
panzer_grenadier_mp44_smg_mp 15.4/12.8/7.7/3.4
Both coh2db and the updated site have the StG 44 DPS at far range at a much lower value (1.054 at range 35) and the G43's slightly higher (4.1), meaning that the G43s would have a huge long range advantage over the StG 44. They also have the G43 at slightly higher close range DPS (13.2), which would further decrease the gap in close to mid range performance.
10 Jun 2020, 19:43 PM
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I wouldn't pick a commander just to get G43 on PGs but if you have it available and muni for them, go for it.
It's no longer a meme upgrade.
It's no longer a meme upgrade.
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10 Jun 2020, 19:45 PM
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Coh2 stats site (https://coh2.serealia.ca/) shows the stgs pump out more damage than the G43s at all ranges up to 25 when stationary. But the G43s suffer little to no penalty while firing on the move. So if you're closing with the enemy (Brit sections, Guards, etc) then the G43s will be a considerable improvement in dps. If you're dealing with infantry running at you (Bar riflemen, shocks, ppsh cons) then I wouldn't bother upgrading with the upgrade, and I'd stick to just giving them camo.
10 Jun 2020, 19:51 PM
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Both coh2db and the updated site have the StG 44 DPS at far range at a much lower value (1.054 at range 35) and the G43's slightly higher (4.1), meaning that the G43s would have a huge long range advantage over the StG 44. They also have the G43 at slightly higher close range DPS (13.2), which would further decrease the gap in close to mid range performance.
Numbers, I provided are from weapons report at range 0/10/20/30.
10 Jun 2020, 20:35 PM
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Permanently BannedThe upgrade is completely worth it. Makes the dps curve of pgrens so much easier to use. The chase down DPS and extra sight make it an automatic upgrade if you're floating munis.
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10 Jun 2020, 21:40 PM
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G43 can also feel more "bursty" in dmg.
If you want to check on the move performance https://coh2db.com/stats/ still works. Just double click the profile of a weapon.
If you want to check on the move performance https://coh2db.com/stats/ still works. Just double click the profile of a weapon.
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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10 Jun 2020, 22:21 PM
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G43 can also feel more "bursty" in dmg.
If you want to check on the move performance https://coh2db.com/stats/ still works. Just double click the profile of a weapon.
Do we know if this comparative 'burstiness' is due to differences in the ways that stgs/rifles spread damage across a squad? If G43s reliably drop single models faster that's a big bonus.
10 Jun 2020, 22:21 PM
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G43 can also feel more "bursty" in dmg.
If you want to check on the move performance https://coh2db.com/stats/ still works. Just double click the profile of a weapon.
I am not sure that it has the correct G43 values for PGs. The weapon was buffed recently.
10 Jun 2020, 22:39 PM
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I am not sure that it has the correct G43 values for PGs. The weapon was buffed recently.
The values do seem to match those in the changelog.
10 Jun 2020, 22:43 PM
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The values do seem to match those in the changelog.
This is from weapon report at range 0/10/20/30
jaeger_panzergren_g43_rifle_mp 12.8/9.8/5.7/4.5
This is from https://coh2db.com/stats/#72
13.26/9.64/5.28/3.2
10 Jun 2020, 22:48 PM
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This is from weapon report at range 0/10/20/30
jaeger_panzergren_g43_rifle_mp 12.8/9.8/5.7/4.5
This is from https://coh2db.com/stats/#72
13.26/9.64/5.28/3.2
Yeah that site is out of date. Stats are accurate on the updated site - https://coh2.serealia.ca/#72
11 Jun 2020, 03:17 AM
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I should had specify.
The weapon curve is the same, what changes is the values in the graph. The new stat sites doesn't compare on the move performance.
Only when comparing with other weapons it would matter. You can still visually see the difference in DPS loss when on the move or static on the old site.
The latest discussion done implied that the stat: focus fire false means that if possible, the unit would sometimes fire at adjacent models.
The minor aspect of "burst" is high dmg value. You could have 2 weapons with the same DPS and have one doing 8dmg per bullet and the other doing 16. They would both achieve the same result on avg but the one with higher dmg would get more variance.
The weapon curve is the same, what changes is the values in the graph. The new stat sites doesn't compare on the move performance.
Only when comparing with other weapons it would matter. You can still visually see the difference in DPS loss when on the move or static on the old site.
Do we know if this comparative 'burstiness' is due to differences in the ways that stgs/rifles spread damage across a squad? If G43s reliably drop single models faster that's a big bonus.
The latest discussion done implied that the stat: focus fire false means that if possible, the unit would sometimes fire at adjacent models.
The minor aspect of "burst" is high dmg value. You could have 2 weapons with the same DPS and have one doing 8dmg per bullet and the other doing 16. They would both achieve the same result on avg but the one with higher dmg would get more variance.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
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