Command Panther dead?
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A few years ago, Spec ops doc was soo real part of the meta for OKW and then they nerfed the Panther (like it can't use its own vet bonuses, general Panther nerfs of 2018 and locked it behind tech in 2019). Now that commander usage just vanished in 1v1s & 2v2s, however still seen in some numbers due to its Arty flare ability.
Maybe make the Command Panther great again? Like it comes in the late game and just like any other panthers it needs to face against alot of allied TDs & ATs. In most cases, it can not make an impact any better than a regular panther. Sure it got those aura that provides buffs to other vehicles but that is just not worth it to make a break through or being a specialist in killing tanks (main role). Especially, when your team is not in a great place and gettting bullied by allied TDs and Mediums like T-34/85s. Moreover, the Command panther just like regular Panther misses alot even when being 'stationary'.
Proposed chagnes to make it better are in the poll.
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A few years ago, Spec ops doc was soo real part of the meta for OKW and then they nerfed the Panther (like it can't use its own vet bonuses, general Panther nerfs of 2018 and locked it behind tech in 2019). Now that commander usage just vanished in 1v1s & 2v2s, however still seen in some numbers due to its Arty flare ability.
Maybe make the Command Panther great again? Like it comes in the late game and just like any other panthers it needs to face against alot of allied TDs & ATs. In most cases, it can not make an impact any better than a regular panther. Sure it got those aura that provides buffs to other vehicles but that is just not worth it to make a break through or being a specialist in killing tanks (main role). Especially, when your team is not in a great place and gettting bullied by allied TDs and Mediums like T-34/85s. Moreover, the Command panther just like regular Panther misses alot even when being 'stationary'.
Proposed chagnes to make it better are in the poll.
You can't really make the unit stronger than it is - and we should get ride of the stupid flare which make it even easier to use to flank or snipe other tanks.
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You can't really make the unit stronger than it is - and we should get ride of the stupid flare which make it even easier to use to flank or snipe other tanks.
Brits have it too and it has a bigger range so...
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The Panzer Commander would be a welcome addition to a doctrine that lacks artillery. However, I would argue that a better change would be to allow it to be deployed in tandem with the King Tiger.
Wouldn't that make KT OP due to the aurora bonuses from the Command PV?
However, I personally think Panzer Commander would be a better versatile option.
-Gives the doc an arty option like u mentioned,
- Makes the cmd PV a bit better from the accuracy bonus & extra sight!
Can't ask more.
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It's the victim of the command tiger that just performs better
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Wouldn't that make KT OP due to the aurora bonuses from the Command PV?
However, I personally think Panzer Commander would be a better versatile option.
-Gives the doc an arty option like u mentioned,
- Makes the cmd PV a bit better from the accuracy bonus & extra sight!
Can't ask more.
The Panzer Commander is the optimal buff.
I would argue that the KT would not be OP due to the aura bonuses. What made the Command Panther + KT combination so strong in the past was that the Command Panther didn’t require tech. You would amass a huge infantry army, ignore tech, stall for the Command Panther, and then slap down all your tech, finally topping off your army with the KT (since you had to go Schwerer HQ anyway, why not get the biggest tank).
With both tied to tech, I would argue that the issue is gone. It would be a powerful combination, no doubt. But as SuperHansFan mentioned, it’s simply been overshadowed by another unit.
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Command panther is not the victim of any major nerfs
It's the victim of the command tiger that just performs better
100% agreed, just as the regular okw panther outdoes the jagdpzr 4.
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Reason why people don't use Spec Ops is because it doesn't have JLI,Falls, or Panzerfusiliers in it.
And with Tiger+PF in one doc, there is hardly a reason to ever use any other doc.
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A bit offtopic, but I truly hate flare abilities that have no counter-play. They should really be deployed by a unit on the field that actually has to get close to the target, like with the Soviets. Failing that, they could maybe just increase vision of actual units in the area of effect rather than grant magic vision for rocket arty.
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-costs more
-is tied to CP and commander
-is restricted to only one
With these in mind we need to ask ourselves:
-What can't normal panther win that CPanther can?
-What does CPanther lose against that normal wouldn't?
Another important question that we need to ask ourselves is: If I'm not picking the doc purely for the flare, why wouldn't I just get regular Panther, go Elite armor doctrine that gives me Panzer commander, HEAT and self repair in 1v1?
I personally think that in its current state and alternatives being what they are the CPanther just isn't good enough for 1v1. I can't speak on behalf of 4v4 etc where it could bring more synergies to the table.
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tl;dr: I agree with Stormjaeger and think it could do with an easier vet progression
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I think it needs lower vet requirements.
Yea it has unrealistic vet reqs, like in my 3 years of this game I may have seen one or two vet5 Cmd Panther lol
Never against one or got one to vet5 myself.
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Brits have it too and it has a bigger range so...
Which Brit commander has a flare that costs the se as a recon plane with none of the drawbacks that allow you to see any specific thing you want upto and including the enemy base if you so please?
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You will never have mark vehicle + heat shells on the same commander.
Coordinated fire is "ok". Mark target is far superior and in better doctrines to boot.
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