Winter balance mod 2020 V1.3

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2020, 03:06 AMShadowLinkX37

So let's recap on what cancer will still be in the game after the patch goes through with no more changes.

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• Skill tactician still untouched.
  

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2020, 10:51 AMWiderstreit

Ihr seid alle behindert, einen schönen ersten April!

You are all handicapped, a nice 1st april!

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2020, 03:06 AMShadowLinkX37

So let's recap on what cancer will still be in the game after the patch goes through with no more changes.

• Pack howitzers will still be braindead wipe guns.
  
• There's zero punishment for laying your mid and back lines with bunkers with excess resources even though only 2 (3 doctrinal) get no pop bunkers.
  
• Falls have basically no counter with brits except MAYBE commandos. Other than that you cannot fight them with an infantry unit.
  
• The KT is still a laughing stock.
  
• Panther vet is still outdated and has little to no meaning outside of its active abilities against super TDs. Its mobility means little when it can't hit the broad side of a barn while moving.
  
• G43 moving accuracy promotes blobbing and has little to no downsides.
  
• The jackson will still terrorize anything made of armor.
  
• Scotts still require 3 hits and have skill smoke.
  
• Skill tactician still untouched.
  

I'm sure there's more I just can't think of it currently besides snipers OP. And please compare the brummbar to the 105 howitzer sherman bulldozer. Dozer sherman >>>> brummbar.

• OST still extremely vulnerable to fast LVs
  
• OKW/UKF recon flares
  
• Sturmpios still overloaded with jobs, but also unable to build SBs
  
• UKF still missing basic tools (non-doc normal mortar, etc.).
  
• Commander balance (notably USF/OKW essentially using only 2 each)

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2020, 17:46 PMDoomlord52

I somewhat disagree with the UKF/Falls thing; without a faust, falls can be countered by the UC or fast AEC fairly early on.

Regardless, I'd also add:

• OST still extremely vulnerable to fast LVs
  
• OKW/UKF recon flares
  
• Sturmpios still overloaded with jobs, but also unable to build SBs
  
• UKF still missing basic tools (non-doc normal mortar, etc.).
  
• Commander balance (notably USF/OKW essentially using only 2 each)

It's a good patch (and I appreciate the work the team has done), but it feels like "part 1 of 2" considering the current state of things. Hopefully we'll get a patch addressing the above issues sooner than later; the meta is getting pretty stale, imo.

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2020, 18:30 PMLoopDloop

AEC does not "counter" infantry. It can damage them, sure, but it won't actually force them off. UC counters falls a little better but that's still kind of like saying use a clown car to counter obers or a 221/223 to counter rangers.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2020, 09:25 AMCardboard Tank

I still don't get why Brits get performance buffs and Ostheer just gets utility (cap speep, reinforcement cost).

The argument is "Ostheer would become too powerful in teamgames".

My observation however is that Brits is the faction that becomes incredibly cancerous to deal with in team games. Their units perform superb and become an utter menace to deal with. Indestructible Churchills and Bren blobs are pure cancer.

The problem with Brits is that they were slow in 1 v 1. In Teamgames (2 v 2) and up they were fine because their weaknesses were covered up.

I predict super Brit cancer in teamgames. That being said I would prefer some Ostheer performance as it was supposed to be (Panther accuracy and Brumm range)

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2020, 09:25 AMCardboard Tank

I still don't get why Brits get performance buffs and Ostheer just gets utility (cap speep, reinforcement cost).

The argument is "Ostheer would become too powerful in teamgames".

My observation however is that Brits is the faction that becomes incredibly cancerous to deal with in team games. Their units perform superb and become an utter menace to deal with. Indestructible Churchills and Bren blobs are pure cancer.

The problem with Brits is that they were slow in 1 v 1. In Teamgames (2 v 2) and up they were fine because their weaknesses were covered up.

I predict super Brit cancer in teamgames. That being said I would prefer some Ostheer performance as it was supposed to be (Panther accuracy and Brumm range).

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2020, 14:06 PMT.R. Stormjäger

25 days since 1.3 preview notes. When is this "winter" patch going to be released?

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2020, 09:25 AMCardboard Tank

I still don't get why Brits get performance buffs and Ostheer just gets utility (cap speep, reinforcement cost).

The argument is "Ostheer would become too powerful in teamgames".

My observation however is that Brits is the faction that becomes incredibly cancerous to deal with in team games. Their units perform superb and become an utter menace to deal with. Indestructible Churchills and Bren blobs are pure cancer.

The problem with Brits is that they were slow in 1 v 1. In Teamgames (2 v 2) and up they were fine because their weaknesses were covered up.

I predict super Brit cancer in teamgames. That being said I would prefer some Ostheer performance as it was supposed to be (Panther accuracy and Brumm range).

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2020, 14:15 PMSuperHansFan

Maybe try reading the last few patch notes? Tommies and by effect bren blobs were nerfed due to lower RA. They currently get eaten by axis elite inf.

The only buffs they received were stuff like an officer CQB unit, smoke on global cooldown and Cromwell MGs. All will have little effect outside of 1vs1 and 2vs2.

So hardly anything that's going to turn them into a powerhouse against the hordes of panthers and obers in team games.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2020, 14:24 PMVipper

That is an over simplification:
Lee Enfield moving accuracy from 0.35 to 0.5---buffed

Assault Infantry Section---buffed
Tank Hunter Infantry Section---buffed
Assault Officer---buffed
Cromwell---buffed
Wasp---buffed
British Medic Squad---buffed
Valentine barrage---buffed and it will impact team game allot
Glider---buffed

British M5 nerfed
-Target size from 0.9 to 0.85; target size in cover remains the same at 0.8---minor nerf

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2020, 14:26 PMSuperHansFan

What is the relation to Valentine and Bren blobs?

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2020, 14:26 PMSuperHansFan

Unless you consider tank hunter Tommies cancer, lol

I listed the three biggest buffs because they are the most relevant, a few extra MG Burts to wasp survivability is not relevant in the grand scheme of things.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2020, 14:40 PMVipper

Read what you wrote, I have even highlighted for you, I never said anything about bren blobs:

"The only buffs they received were stuff like an officer CQB unit, smoke on global cooldown and Cromwell MGs. All will have little effect outside of 1vs1 and 2vs2. "

The buff you mention are not the only ones and the Valentine change will have an impact in large modes.


And you have missed the moving accuracy buffs that will make IS blob allot more effective especially when using abilities like "assault" and "Advanced Cover Combat"

I stand by my point, you are over simplifying UKF got numerous buff across all modes.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2020, 15:15 PMSuperHansFan

Maybe you should learn to read the context of a discussion rather than nitpicking individual sentences. This will aid reading comprehension.