Is the T70 OP?

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2020, 08:22 AMShadowLinkX37

T70 was heavily reworked in 2016 and had a major recon nerf in either late 2018 or early 19’. 2016 gave it an extra 80 HP with substantial AoE nerfs.

Manpower cost increased from 200 to 260
Health increased from 320 to 400
Crew repair removed
Reload speed increased from 1.8 - 2.2 to 2.1 - 2.5
AoE damage reduced from 1/0.35/0.05 to 0.8/0.35/0.15
Scatter Max increased from 1.7 to 2.5
Distance scatter offset reduced from 0.25 to 0.15 (this improves targeting)
Veterancy 3 decreases weapon scatter by 20% (accuracy vs infantry)
Coaxial MG cooldown decreased from 5 to 3
Coaxial MG cooldown multiplier changed from 0.5/1/1.5 to 0.75/1/1.25
Coaxial MG accuracy changed from 0.38/0.33/0.28 to 0.38/0.355/0.33
Coaxial MG reload duration reduced from 4-6 seconds to 3 seconds
T-70 Recon Mode now also allows the T-70 to capture territory with veterancy 1.
Capture Point ability removed.

Veterancy 2 recon mode bonus removed (68.5 sight from 95 when fully vetted)

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2020, 08:13 AMKatitof

Why 70 fuel T3 tank should be forced by T2 30 fuel scout car? All grens would do here is to zone it away from 222, at least until T-70 murders them.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2020, 01:44 AMFelixTHM

We keep hearing the same braindead analogy when the two things aren't even remotely comparable.

1. You can sweep for mines for your T70. You can't sweep for each of your 6+ capping squads unless you A-move 6 squads together all the time.

2. It's never 50 muni for a T70, unless opposing player was super bad or super greedy. Teller mines require a great deal of luck for the enemy to specifically run over that spot and require a great deal of guesswork. It's on average more than 200 muni of teller mines for one actual hit if you calculate it properly.

Also, experienced players will avoid/sweep/attack ground the most commonly traversed spots. Teller mines are also often detonated by stray shells.

3. Demos had monstrous AoE and got multiple models even if it wasn't a wipe. It created massive squad-loss swings very early in the game, effectively ending the game before we even got to the LV phase. And most importantly, capping and squad preservation are the core mechanics of the game (just not to GenMe), and not being able to do the most basic things in the first 10 minutes of the game are in no way comparable to possibly running over a mine much later in the game.


I've certainly lost T70s and IS2s (and hence the games) to teller mines. But my opponents invested several hundred munitions, AND I got sloppy. It's not even remotely comparable to the cancer of instant-win demos which had no possible counter.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2020, 08:31 AMmrgame2

See i told ya, t70 is lousy in 2v2 and above with those nerfs that ost players were calling for. It got nerf and that's that. Close this thread.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 14:15 PMWiderstreit

Edit: T70 arrives at a moment when pressure on enemeys inf is high, it simply it too much at that moment. That is my opinion. Like if Luchs would arrives 3-5 min earlier.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 16:08 PMAerohank

I would reduce the T70 armor so it becomes a bit more vulnerable to the 20mm and the Flak AA. This would make the T70 less of a counter to 222, Luchs, and flak HT. This would then force Soviets to go for an SU76 if they actually want to hard counter these units right away.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 16:08 PMAerohank

I would reduce the T70 armor so it becomes a bit more vulnerable to the 20mm and the Flak AA. This would make the T70 less of a counter to 222, Luchs, and flak HT. This would then force Soviets to go for an SU76 if they actually want to hard counter these units right away.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 16:08 PMAerohank

I would reduce the T70 armor so it becomes a bit more vulnerable to the 20mm and the Flak AA. This would make the T70 less of a counter to 222, Luchs, and flak HT. This would then force Soviets to go for an SU76 if they actually want to hard counter these units right away.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 16:37 PMblvckdream

The problem of the T70 is that it's arrival time makes it mandatory to be clearly better than all the other LVs. It costs 190 fuel for OKW to get Luchs + Puma out while it costs Soviets 165 fuel to get a single T70 out. And that is without Molotovs or AT snares. So if you decide to give Conscripts basic tools you will end up paying almost as much for your first T70 as OKW does for Puma and Luchs together.

It's very strong at the moment but if it gets toned down it needs to be very nuanced because of how much fuel you need to get it.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2020, 08:42 AMMr Carmine

Yes the demo was frustating to play against. So is the teller. getting one shot without warning or counterplay is bad including when ost does it. So defending the teller while supporting the demo nerf is very hypocritical imo.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 16:39 PMVipper

Simply lower the power level.

Less lethal at lower price.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 14:51 PMEsxile

How can it be high if OKW already have its Luch MG34 and Raketen out and Ostheer, hmg42, Pzgren, pak40 and 251FT?

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 17:22 PMWiderstreit

Useability. If Luchs had stats of T70 lol community would cry like babies because of OPnes.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 16:37 PMblvckdream

The problem of the T70 is that it's arrival time makes it mandatory to be clearly better than all the other LVs.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 16:37 PMblvckdream

The problem of the T70 is that it's arrival time makes it mandatory to be clearly better than all the other LVs. It costs 190 fuel for OKW to get Luchs + Puma out while it costs Soviets 165 fuel to get a single T70 out. And that is without Molotovs or AT snares. So if you decide to give Conscripts basic tools you will end up paying almost as much for your first T70 as OKW does for Puma and Luchs together.

It's very strong at the moment but if it gets toned down it needs to be very nuanced because of how much fuel you need to get it.