What is the REAL problem with Ost T4?

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2020, 14:28 PMelchino7

Been able to field a single one more unit on a faction which has the worst blobbing capabilities of all 5, while having to play combined arms to be able to do so, is the least of my concerns to be honest. Specifically if that faction is tied to be the worst at the moment.

Right now OH has 2 problems: the eternal issue of dealing cost effectively with light vehicles during the early-mid game and the transition to dealing with vehicles with more than 800HP and +200 armor.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2020, 14:28 PMelchino7

Right now OH has 2 problems: the eternal issue of dealing cost effectively with light vehicles during the early-mid game and the transition to dealing with vehicles with more than 800HP and +200 armor.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2020, 15:35 PMEsxile

If the idea is to give them more to blob better, I'll continue to disagree with you. If the idea is to give them more to counter blobs, they already have the best late game map control / blob control tool in the name of bunker. They're also amazing to block flanking routes, are cheap and easy to repair. And they don't cost popcap. Here is already implemented your idea of saving popcap with a great use vs any kind of mainline infantry unit.

I'm sure someone will say that they can easily be destroyed/countered, and I proactively respond "like everything past 20 minutes in game".

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2020, 15:52 PMLago

A solution to the LV problem: https://www.coh2.org/topic/103763/ostheer-tech-restructure

The heavy vehicle problem is also a fairly straightforward fix: increase the penetration on the Panther so it kills unsupported heavies again.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 09:53 AMoootto92

Just increase the cost of T4 to justify needed buffs to make the vehicles perform better. Isn't this how balance works around here?? Or if you are really high IQ you can solve this equation of price and performance by lowering the costs of current T4 vehicles so that people start using them at wanted levels.

Simple economics guys.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 10:08 AMButcher

I agree. If necessary, increase the cost of T4 and then buff the units. This means the units will not be redundant and overshadowed by T3 stuff.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 11:13 AMthedarkarmadillo

Tbh the panther should have been a unit restricted to 1 a piece and treated accordingly instead of nerfed and rebalanced and nerfed and rebalanced year after year to account for the potential to make them like they are t34s in team games. Elite tanks shouldnt be making up the entirety of your tank force anymore than elite infantry should be all tou field as infantry and i hooe thats a lesson learned for coh 3. The core of each army should be their standard units not thier elite ones

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 12:08 PMSuperHansFan

But OKWs entire faction design is to be an elite army like the one fielded at the battle of the bulge, that's why you get stg engineers, obers that represent the waffen SS and a king tiger non doc.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 12:13 PMKatitof

No limits then, just increase pop cap by 2 to discourage spam.
I mean, worked for churchills, no reason why it wouldn't work on panther.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 12:30 PMSuperHansFan

Churchill should be same pop as panther or comet.

It needed a small price increase and that was it, nobody builds the FF church combo anymore because both their pop is inflated.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 13:15 PMJibberJabberJobber

FF pop isn't inflated, but Churchill pop definitely is. I think it was increased from 16 to 18 initially, but afterwards to 20, almost directly following CaptainSprice losing to AshaBlois in some tourney. Sprice only had Schrecks and Stugs and slowly got suffocated by triple Churchills. IMO Price played that match wrong and the additional pop nerf was not justified.

I'll try to find the match once I can.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2020, 13:57 PMVipper

Pop of Churchill is 19.

Oddly enough the pop of KV-1 is 14...