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And its vet 0 performance is already very good in the hands of someone who can micro it well (using attack ground), which is exactly the reason we're reluctant to directly buff it.
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Well that a inaccurate KV-2 does 120 damage on deflection which is half the normal.
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Suggestion to change the Brummbar. Increase fuel to 170 and increase shell speed to something that resembles the speed closer to KV2's speed.
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This is the problem with it really: it's an ostensible autofire AI unit that needs constant manual input to function..
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In no way is that a problem. It’s very much usable if you just right click on enemy squads but rewards predictions with manual firing with improved performance.
Nothing wrong with it and no change needed.
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If it's meant to be a manually targeted unit, scrap the autofire and just give it a barrage ability.
If it's meant to be an autofire unit, make its autofire work properly.
It seems silly to me that generalist heavy tanks can hit with autofire just fine, but a dedicated anti-infantry heavy has to be babysat to get its full performance.
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When you need your generalist heavy tank to score an important shot you do attack ground with it as well to make sure it doesn't target the far away model, especially true vs ATGs or MGs, when you want to kill the guys crewing the actual weapon and not the bystanders.
Keep in mind that enemy infantry needs to micro dodge vs Brummbar if it wants to avoid autofire or attack grounds, so it's micro vs micro. I think that Stormjäger is right.
Also there is no other stock vehicle (except KT) that can continuously force retreats like the Brummbar.
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All these arguments also apply to the KV-2, which does have a decent shell speed.
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All these arguments also apply to the KV-2, which does have a decent shell speed.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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90% of the time I manually target attacks for KV2 too, unless you mean the siege mode.
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All these arguments also apply to the KV-2, which does have a decent shell speed.
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It it really true I have to make videos to compare all units? The game is only cancer. I only say Preisleistungsverhältnis
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And its vet 0 performance is already very good in the hands of someone who can micro it well (using attack ground), which is exactly the reason we're reluctant to directly buff it.
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Then why not close this performance gap?
Speed up the shells and the performance gap between autofire and attack ground is reduced.
You fix the Brummbar's inconsistent power level, mitigate its disproportionate micro demand and give it a hefty usability improvement in one fell swoop..
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Having to manual aim shots to make the unit useful is unnecessary micro tax to player in an RTS, the game should help the player control his units no hinder them.
I could be acceptable if it was consistent across all unit but it not.
It would be good desing for a game where a player is controlling a single unit.
Having to gain vet 1 with late, expensive high XP unit in order to become cost efficient is bad design. People on the receiving end of the ability complain about the the unit performance (although it the barrage and not the unit) and people trying to use the unit complain about the performance before gaining vet 1.
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I fundamentally disagree with the concept of a higher micro unit being bad design.
One of the resources in rts which isnt as tangible as manpower, gold, or minerals is player apm and multitasking. Knowing how to distribute that among all the tasks you have to do is a very important part of rts, and some units requiring more just means you have to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of using too many of those micro or apm heavy units.
Knowing how to tax your opponents multitasking and apm is just as important.
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And force a damage nerf since it would be way too good.
Absolutely not.
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Do you think the Brummbar is overpowered when microed manually?.
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Do you think the Brummbar is overpowered when microed manually?
If not, then it wouldn't get nerfed. Units are balanced around their peak performance, not around rank 1000 4v4. Bringing autofire's effectiveness up to manual targeting's effectiveness wouldn't make the unit more powerful, it'd make it easier to use.
If so, then it needs that damage nerf anyway.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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I think the armour buff was good and the unit is in an good spot right now. If there is to be another change, it will be seen after the patch release.
For now, this thread is completely pointless and the suggestion quite bad since the KV2 is already quite OP since its shell speed was increased.
Is 2 shooting full health squads regardless of squad size and spacing balanced?
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