Tiger Ace Explained

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2013, 20:57 PMhubewa

The essence of the Tiger Ace

If you see a tiger ace, get snipers and AT guns/SU-85s immediately.

Snipers can not only spot, they also kill infantry, so if you kill all of his pioneers, he'll find that he can't repair his tiger ace, and it will be doomed.

Also, the SU-85 does outrange the tiger so retreating your SU-85 all the time tends to work.

The essence of the tiger ace is - if you don't win immediately, you lose the whole game. Snipers will end up bleeding you out on MP if you don't win in, say, 5 minutes.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2013, 20:53 PMAerohank

The tiger ace breaks 1v1. If a player wants to call in a heavy tank like a IS-2, Tiger, Elephant or ISU-152, he will need to save up resources. This means that his opponent can outnumber him with tanks before the heavy tank hits the field. In an even match, this will result in the player saving for the heavy tank getting pushed back a little into a defensive position. Depending on how well the opponent uses his armored advantage prior to the arrival of the heavy tank, he can then either deal with it or take heavy losses from the heavy tank.

The tiger ace is different. A game can be perfectly even, with both players having roughly the same infantry and tank count, and then suddenly a free (super) heavy tank hits the field for one player. The only way to deal with this tank is by having superior numbers, but that does not apply here because there is no magical way for Soviets (bar 1 p2w soviet commander) to outnumber the Germans in an even match.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2013, 20:57 PMhubewa

The essence of the Tiger Ace

If you see a tiger ace, get snipers and AT guns/SU-85s immediately.

Snipers can not only spot, they also kill infantry, so if you kill all of his pioneers, he'll find that he can't repair his tiger ace, and it will be doomed.

Also, the SU-85 does outrange the tiger so retreating your SU-85 all the time tends to work.

The essence of the tiger ace is - if you don't win immediately, you lose the whole game. Snipers will end up bleeding you out on MP if you don't win in, say, 5 minutes.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2013, 21:19 PMSmokazCOH

There's also the scenario where a lucky mine or demo or ability sinks the tiger
Rammed in the butt and loses main gun
Lost on a bridge
Gets critical engine damage

And then game was lost on that 1 click on the ace

Not only for 1 player
but for all of them

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2013, 21:16 PMAerohank

The tiger ace is not alone, the tiger ace is free so for every SU85 you have on the field, there is a P4 for the Germans. Just "get snipers and AT guns/SU-85s" does not work, just to get one of each is 1000mp and 115 feul, which takes 5 minutes to get, more if you suffer losses and need to reinforce. It takes the German army a minute to waltz across a 1v1 map, kill your army and than proceed to kill your base.


The only way to kill the tiger ace is when you are a vastly superior player and have managed to cripple the German player before he can call in the tiger ace. There are no timings to exploit, no resource advantage to abuse. Either you already have 4 tanks and he has none, or you lose.

The essence of the tiger ace is that it has a broken design. You can't have a balanced game where one player needs to destroy the other player before 7CP or lose because of a free call-in. Other heavy tanks are balanced by the fact that you need to save up a lot of resources before you can call them in, which gives an equally skilled opponent something to exploit. The tiger ace does not.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2013, 21:48 PMlink0

The only way to beat this commander is to use the paid soviet industry commander which is even more broken (4 minute T70 in 1v1).

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2013, 22:58 PMSgtBulldog

Now, counters: I read that ram is possible? I just tried and as well ram as AT nades failed completely from behind and sides. Plus it is almost impossible to get within nading range.

Is this unit like every other tank wrt chance of ram and AT nades failing? Or does it somehow have a better chance of repelling those two counters?

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2013, 23:17 PMcoh2player

How do you check the kill count for the units in coh2?

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2013, 05:13 AMThe Dave

Con!,

If you played COH you would know that before the game was "stale", as you understand it, it was almost unplayable because Relic refused for the longest time to do anything about Kangaroos being into your base by 7 minutes and then crushing your troops over and over again. Before that, trenches and gliders crushed all your people. The PE infantry spam and ACs were ridiculous. ToV represents this shift where relic nose dived from legendary to comically insane.

VCoH and CoH+TOV were done by separate teams if I remember correctly. The TOV expansion caused ridiculous problems to the game essentially ruining a perfect rts and running off over 3/4s of the initial community.

Guess who is in charge of this game? The track record simply isn't there. Nothing that they have said or done in this game thus far has been anything to the contrary of a big fucking letdown and this is about to make it even worse.

Mark my words.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2013, 04:14 AMWhat Doth Life?!

Hey guys, what about tank traps?

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2013, 13:07 PMSgtBulldog

Good question.

But I assume that Panthers and everything above that have heavy crush as in COH1.

Since TTs are free, it should be that way, but alas it's no solution to the Tiger Ace then.