Pwerfer on T3

Bring Pwerfer to T3 instead of Ostwind.

Motives:
-All mainline infantries have been consecutevely buffed in the lastest patches.
-HMG42 is good at holding but not at killing.
-All allied TW have more presence now than before.
-OST mortar hardly stand a chance against Pak howies, mortar pits in range and Zis Barrages. It also puts OST infantry even behind in the infantry department.
-OST LV are very vulnerable to any handheld AT (namely 222,251 FHT, 250)
-T4 rush is a really bad choice for OST.

I am mostly looking for 2v2 and upwards. For 1v1s there is already Pgrens and doc upgrades for grens.
Since from 2v2 to 4v4 the amount of in masse squads is bigger and more frequent, another suppression/damage tool for infantry pushes or stalling TW is required for OST. Pz4 are often countered by the same Zis guns dealing damage with the barrages. Arty call-ins have received nerfs aswell and their AoE is relatively small compared to the allied ones (is ok though, there a reason for that). IMO this subsequent changes have left overlooked the in masse/blob infantry control unchecked.

I rather dislike the idea because it mirrors partly the OKW tech tree, but it annoys me aswell the narrator voice saying "Rocket artillery and medium armor available to you" when building T3 (Pwerfer is T4)

Its ok to disagree, but i think its worth discussing because T4 got no buff overall in the last patch update.

PS: Ostwind in T4 will put down some of the anger caused by its lastest buffs, so its a 2 stones with 1 bird solution. Leaves Ostwind as an AA tool + good infantry control.

PS: Ostwind in T4 will put down some of the anger caused by its lastest buffs

It's okay, vaseline is still quite cheap. I'm sure they'll cope.

Moving Ostwind in T4 will simply murder Ostheer.

Moving Ostwind in T4 will simply murder Ostheer.

Ostheer is dead, every change will be a buff.

The problem is, that blobbing is too effective and everything Ostheer was good in was nerfed into ground, while the rest got buffed. Even HMG42 isn't that good, it needs suppression because without the hole fraction is trash from start on.

Next is the community team, the also ride a dead horse.

I don't think you will ever see the Ostwind again if you move it to t4

I don't think you will ever see the Ostwind again if you move it to t4

Sadly true.

I just can't accept to have that much options in the current t3 but moving ostwind to t4 could push the ost tech revamp like the one lago proposed

I don't think you will ever see the Ostwind again if you move it to t4

Ostwind is a FlaK (AA) and should be used as that. There are many things not OK in Ostheer, the fraction got destroyed over the years.

The overall balance it ok, but they are missing smaller balanced factors and other fractions have too potential units as well. As Vipper says, we have to nerf instead of buffing, and at the moment US and Soviets are too potential in some aspects. OKW also needs changes, to bring the infantry play normal again. I am missing game 5 years ago, back there only vehicles were broken as hell.

I am speaking about non-doc long-range tools (I am speaking about same range, not more) and line-infantry shouldn't be able to solo situaions.

There are many things from CoH1 we should copy for natural balance e.g. hull-MGs of tanks should pin, so blobbing gets less effective. Weak-points of a fraction should have some handy-caped work-arounds to fix them.


Next problem of Ostheer, the hole design is outdated.

If move ostwind to T4,it should be cheaper

Ostheer is dead, every change will be a buff.

Says who? Lol

Says who? Lol

Look the champion-ship.

Look the chanpion-ship.

When does she arrive at port?

When does she arrive at port?

14. Februar 1939

I don't think you will ever see the Ostwind again if you move it to t4

Ostwind in T4 might allow a skipping T3 and going Panther ostwinds.

Ostwind in T4 might allow a skipping T3 and going Panther ostwinds.

What's the value of skipping t3 anymore though? Unless we cancel the tech changes in the preview. I think they are trying to make getting both less punishing anyway

You'll save a little MP but timing won't change much

Bring Pwerfer to T3 instead of Ostwind.

Motives:
-All mainline infantries have been consecutevely buffed in the lastest patches.

Have grens been?

Have grens been?

Well the damage reduction in place of received accuracy at vet 3 was a buff. They're also getting cheaper to reinforce with the upcoming patch, soooooooooo

Put it in t3 with bp3 required. Increase the cost of t4 and buff the units within slightly (undo brumbar nerfs and give the panther a slight bump somehwere) and make t4 give some buffs to other units.

No

No

Yes

Ostwind in T4 might allow a skipping T3 and going Panther ostwinds.

Agreed, t4 could be the specialists tier meanwhile t3 have average solutions.

Tanks? Stug.
Team weapons? Pwerfer.
Infantry? P4. Plus points for AT