I like that idea too... also rip
Yeah then hull down 75(yes 60*1.25=75 range dude 75!!!!) range panthers gonna come and ruin every allied tank on the planet.
Additional 10% armor bonus for panther at vet3
10 Feb 2020, 05:34 AM
#21
Posts: 1563
Yeah then hull down 75(yes 60*1.25=75 range dude 75!!!!) range panthers gonna come and ruin every allied tank on the planet.
10 Feb 2020, 07:40 AM
#22
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The Comet has 290 armor + 960 HP now + Cheaper. Why the fuck is that????? Don't bullshit me,
Stugs and Jaegs don't even have as much point blank pen.
You mean 290 armor and 800 hp?
Also, StuGs and JP4s(assuming you meant that) are not supposed to counter it, in fact, its supposed to give panther a beating before it goes down.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
10 Feb 2020, 08:03 AM
#23
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The Comet has 290 armor + 960 HP now + Cheaper. Why the fuck is that????? Don't bullshit me,
Stugs and Jaegs don't even have as much point-blank pen.
Comet ----> premium medium tank that is good vs infantry and OK vs tanks
800HP
290 armour
5.9-6.4 reload
210-190-170 penetration
45 range
Panther ---> mobile AT-vehicle with MGs as support vs infantry
960 HP
260 armour
5.2-5.6 reload
260-240-220 penetration
50 range
10 Feb 2020, 08:03 AM
#24
Posts: 366
The comet is 290 armour and 800 health. The comet is more well rounded while the panther as well known more at orientated (the pen values speaks volume).
Edit: someone just posted the stats.
Edit: someone just posted the stats.
10 Feb 2020, 09:55 AM
#25
Posts: 1563
You mean 290 armor and 800 hp?
Hmm... Maybe I miss remembered it for Pershing's HP buff.
Also, StuGs and JP4s(assuming you meant that) are not supposed to counter it, in fact, its supposed to give panther a beating before it goes down.
Right TD's are not supposed to counter tanks. Good Answer.
10 Feb 2020, 10:04 AM
#26
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Right TD's are not supposed to counter tanks. Good Answer.
Puma is a TD.
Its not supposed to counter KV-1.
Apply that logic one tier higher if its too hard to understand.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
10 Feb 2020, 11:36 AM
#27
Posts: 124
Panther need 290 armor for sure.Panther is confused kid of axis. Panther dont know what it is. Players dont know what is it. Devs dont know what is it.Just increase anti infantry potential of panther and buff armor into 290 and give it a proper place. Problem solved case closed.
10 Feb 2020, 11:38 AM
#28
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Panther need 290 armor for sure.Panther is confused kid of axis. Panther dont know what it is. Players dont know what is it. Devs dont know what is it.Just increase anti infantry potential of panther and buff armor into 290 and give it a proper place. Problem solved case closed.
And then, you'd complain that panther costs 200+ fuel.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
10 Feb 2020, 11:46 AM
#29
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And then, you'd complain that panther costs 200+ fuel.
A Panther with decent AI (lets say P4 AI) would certainly justify the cost of 200+ fuel and im pretty dawn sure that most axis players would make this trade in a second.
A Panther with better ai performance would also help to get rid of the "Tiger always"
meta atm.
10 Feb 2020, 11:59 AM
#30
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A Panther with decent AI (lets say P4 AI) would certainly justify the cost of 200+ fuel and im pretty dawn sure that most axis players would make this trade in a second.
A Panther with better ai performance would also help to get rid of the "Tiger always"
meta atm.
At that point, you'd have to lose health, lose AT power, lose 50 range and rename it comet.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
10 Feb 2020, 12:09 PM
#31
Posts: 808
You asked why it has 286 armour.
It's because it exchanged higher armour for health to make it more survivable against tank destroyers.
The health is much more powerful than the armour. I don't see why you'd want to revert that.
previously, the when the panther was at 800hp, it got its extra HP at vet 2 to 960hp, it didn't get the free hp, it was merely taken from its vet 2, while having its armour go down. Before the panther changes, the old panther had better defensive stats then the new panther at vet 2.
Regarding OP's suggestion, i dont think these changes will do much and shouldn't be implemented, plus i think some TD's are going to be getting nerfed anyway (most likely jackon). Right now if panther does get a buff, it will most likely be in accuracy
10 Feb 2020, 12:10 PM
#32
Posts: 808
A Panther with decent AI (lets say P4 AI) would certainly justify the cost of 200+ fuel and im pretty dawn sure that most axis players would make this trade in a second.
A Panther with better ai performance would also help to get rid of the "Tiger always"
meta atm.
lol, that would make panther OP, especially in teams games ppl will just spam panthers and stomp everything
10 Feb 2020, 12:14 PM
#33
Posts: 124
And then, you'd complain that panther costs 200+ fuel.
200+ fuel for decent AI panther seems pretty good deal for axis.But atm devs will do nothing about panther.And off topic Jackson is okey right now.
10 Feb 2020, 12:14 PM
#34
Posts: 124
lol, that would make panther OP, especially in teams games ppl will just spam panthers and stomp everything
İn team games people spam p4 btw.
10 Feb 2020, 12:24 PM
#35
Posts: 1563
Puma is a TD.
Its not supposed to counter KV-1.
Apply that logic one tier higher if its too hard to understand.
Puma is more like an anti vehicle unit than a TD m8. The same way shreck PG's are like av units.
10 Feb 2020, 12:25 PM
#36
Posts: 808
İn team games people spam p4 btw.
p4 spam is much easier to counter then, countering panthers with better AI
10 Feb 2020, 12:26 PM
#37
Posts: 1563
previously, the when the panther was at 800hp, it got its extra HP at vet 2 to 960hp, it didn't get the free hp, it was merely taken from its vet 2, while having its armour go down. Before the panther changes, the old panther had better defensive stats then the new panther at vet 2.
Regarding OP's suggestion, i dont think these changes will do much and shouldn't be implemented, plus i think some TD's are going to be getting nerfed anyway (most likely jackon). Right now if panther does get a buff, it will most likely be in accuracy
I doubt that any TD especially the Jackson gonna get nerfed.
10 Feb 2020, 12:27 PM
#38
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Puma is more like an anti vehicle unit than a TD m8. The same way shreck PG's are like av units.
It might blow your mind, but units dedicated to destroying vehicles are called TDs.
If you think its light vehicle exclusive, please explain then why it needs 160 close penetration, when there is no spammable light with more then 70 armor?
Also, stop focusing on example, because you're letting the point go over your head.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
10 Feb 2020, 12:35 PM
#39
Posts: 1563
It might blow your mind, but units dedicated to destroying vehicles are called TDs.
If you think its light vehicle exclusive, please explain then why it needs 160 close penetration, when there is no spammable light with more then 70 armor?
So I guess Rangers/Rifles with zooks are also TD's in your opinion.
Why does the PUMA need 160 pen, I guess for the same reason why JT has 550 close range pen.
10 Feb 2020, 12:36 PM
#40
Posts: 3588 | Subs: 3
A Panther with decent AI (lets say P4 AI) would certainly justify the cost of 200+ fuel and im pretty dawn sure that most axis players would make this trade in a second.
A Panther with better ai performance would also help to get rid of the "Tiger always"
meta atm.
Turn a specialist into a generalist when there’s already 2 on the roster (Tiger and P4)? Horrible idea.
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