Are they not fixing heavies?

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 14:10 PMAlphrum

yes, tiger and is2 can wipe sqauds, but the Pershing is the worst offender, and stop giving me this bs like it has low armour and low health, its still high for a tank.

All heavy tanks just need a delay

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 15:23 PMLago

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Their power should be in their durability.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 15:31 PMVipper

Lower base stat and increase vet bonuses might also help. The unit would become power after a player managed to vet them up.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 15:23 PMLago

To be honest, they need their stats cut or their price raised too.

They're currently set up like they're a tier above medium tanks, but they share the same teching cost.

Imagine what'd happen if you let a doctrine put the OKW Panzer IV in Mechanized, and you've got the effect heavies have.

Currently, for the cost of two mediums tanks: they've got the anti-infantry power of two medium tanks, the health of two mediums stuck together, the AT power of a tank destroyer, and a shitload of armour on top of that. You get everything and more.

It's like they're equivalent to two Shermans and a Jackson, which is 365 Fuel.

I think the best solution is to slash their anti-infantry power down a ton. Their power should be in their durability.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 16:15 PMLago

The problem there is making them highly vet dependent encourages building them sooner. Heavy rushing is what we're trying to kill.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 13:43 PMFire and Terror

i had a tiger killing my schocks in 2 shots (1 shot then i retreated got them on the retreat), so does the is2 with grens, the problem is the tiger gets much higher rof with vet making him capable of landing more shots in then the is2, making him overall better then the is2 (against inf).

Sqad size doesnt really matter that much against heavies becouse of sqad bunching etc.

This is not even due to misplay, you sit in green cover bunched , see the heavy retreat close together and get wiped. Thats why the tiger seems oppresive since in can get more shots in then the is2

Edit: If the is2 gets his YOLO armor nerf, so should the tiger be looked at, since its vet doesnt fit in well with the changes + it has lower vet requirements than the is2, for no apparent reason, while having higher damage output

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 17:27 PMZeroZeroNi

The Tiger has 300, How low do you want it to be, it seems like you allied fanboy's won't be satisfied until you can pen everything with 200 mp at guns from a range of 120.
Let's just give all axis armor 40 armor caus allied fanboy juat want it there way. Then fucking first nerf all your infantry.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 07:31 AMmiragefla

The Tiger's main gun might also be bugged in live as it has a greater OHK radius than it should have. If the editor is correct, its AOE distance is 1/1.5/3 rather than 0.25/1.5/3 which might explains its more chances of killing people.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 07:49 AMZeroZeroNi

You see the problem with full tech requirement would be that IS2 would only be delayed by 10 fuel and the rest would be delayed by 60-70 fuel. Which is not consistent + IS2 is the most power full of all the heavies right now so...... Yeah would not be fair to anyone.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 18:08 PMFire and Terror

XD is2 gets armor nerf, and i would suggest nerfing tigers ROF or at least increasing vet requirements. I didnt mention tiger armor nerf at all..., its armor is fine

BTW check my stats and rethink before you call me a allied fanboy

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 19:35 PMClarity

I think the IS-2 and KV-2 should require all-tiers and Molo's and AT Nades to be teched in order to build them. If that isn't enough to delay the timing then worst case maybe you even require the 7-man upgrade but I don't think that would even be needed honestly.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 19:36 PMZeroZeroNi

Anyone can be fanboy. Fanboyism is in the heart not the hands. Stats don't prove anything.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 19:39 PMZeroZeroNi

Here is the thing, By the time you see IS2 in game if your sov opponent is going cons they certainly have both molies and at nades(these 2 are 10 fuel each) well before they have t70. Which if IS2 seems fast now 10 fuel isn't gonna make it come any slower.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 19:40 PMblvckdream

Yes everyone who wants a Tiger nerf is clearly an Allied-Fanboy.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 19:45 PMZeroZeroNi

Yes, Cus All Heavis are OP not Just the Tiger. So if you wan't a nerf for Tiger only,then they are a fan boy.
**ohhh.. BUT THE IS2 GOT IT'S ARMOR NERFED TO 340 FROM 375 which gives stugs a pen boost of 46% to 50%(panther 53% to 59% both max range) which hardly is any different.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 19:43 PMClarity

That is also why Mobilized Reserves could be an additional tech cost, I feel like the 7-man upgrade in its current state shouldn't be given for free when you go Tier 4.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 19:48 PMWiderstreit

blvckdream is often trolling, don't take him so seriously.