Are they not fixing heavies?

Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2020, 23:23 PMLatch

Its in every game I have played against the axis since they added it to OKW, theres a reason everyone is using it now...

Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2020, 23:49 PMLago

All the heavies are wildly overpowered right now. They've been balanced against mediums the way mediums are balanced against lights, just without the 120ish FU teching barrier.

Every game is heavies because the most cost-efficient counter to a heavy is another heavy.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 07:22 AMblvckdream

I said this a million times. Unless they nerf the AOE of heavy tanks they will continue to be used in every game. This is especially true for the Tiger. That thing is just absurd at the moment. Considering the IS2 got a well-deserved armour nerf I can't understand why the Tiger, which is arguably even better in the current patch, doesn't get some sort of nerf. It just kills infantry too fast. They can make heavy tanks come at 15 CP and they still would be used almost every game. It's just super boring and repetitive.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 01:43 AMClarity

Yeah, unfortunately the heavies poll wants them to stay how they are in the Winter Balance 1.1 Preview and in my opinion they are still going to be too strong against all targets, especially infantry since they have very little scatter and come out 4-5 minutes before they actually should. Wish full tech requirements would have stayed since it would have delayed heavies across the board for all game modes but instead the CP increase is going to do very little in 1's and 2's and really effect heavy timings in 3's and 4's negatively. Somehow though nearly half of the votes in the poll think that heavy performance and cost is completely fine right now and CP's which don't rely on map control and vary in timing more than resources is the better means of balancing them.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 07:31 AMmiragefla

We did some tests and against a squad that even has some spacing, Tigers need generally 5-7 shots to wipe out a 6 man squad, which changes on spacing. An AOE change would be so damage taken past 1 meter is reduced with a tad reduction in further edges of the AOE. The AOE would also have a much harsher drop off from 0-1m.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 08:28 AMblvckdream

These are the same vacuum tests that got us the OP state of heavy tanks.

The problem is not wiping full health infantry units but the consistently high damage output. Tigers rack up too many kills in too short of a time period. They also do too many wipes against retreating units, right now they basically always get the wipe on a squad that retreats slightly too late because they just don't miss all that often. They also get a lot of wipes against units with low-medium health. Keep in mind that in late-game most units that face the Tiger are not full health 6 man squads. There is so much artillery, small arms fire and vehicles around. Then there is also the problem of the OKW Tiger's barrage ability that makes it almost impossible to effectively use AT-guns against it.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 08:57 AMZeroZeroNi

Yeah Like AT guns work wonders on an IS2 and like IS2/Pershing doesn't never wipes squads at all.
I feel your being too complacent and asking for 300 ish mp units to counter(or even hold back) 600+ mp, 200+ f units. Ohh.. lets just use multiple cheap at guns (that's easy for me to make multiple of) to render my opponents 600+ mp and 200+ f investment useless.

"IS2 and like IS2/Pershing doesn't never wipes squads at all."

They also do too many wipes against retreating units, right now they basically always get the wipe on a squad that retreats slightly too late because they just don't miss all that often. They also get a lot of wipes against units with low-medium health. "

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 09:29 AMblvckdream

Reading comprehension 0/10. As usual for COH2 forums nowadays. So many people are not even capable of reading basic sentences.



What I wrote:



I mean do you even read?

And btw yes: AT-guns work decent vs Pershing (due to low armour and HP) while they don't work well vs Tiger, KT and IS2.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 09:52 AMZeroZeroNi

This is what you said:
Tigers rack up too many kills in too short of a time period. They also do too many wipes against retreating units
In this context "they" should mean Tiger. Not my fault bro.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 10:48 AMblvckdream

How can "they"in the context of heavy tanks mean ONLY-Tiger???

Edit: I just realized it was indeed misleading.

The Tiger is still the worst offender at least in 2v2. So it wouldnt be wrong any way you look at it. Maybe take the Axis glasses off if you dont even admit the Tiger is too op.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 12:30 PMZeroZeroNi

And your saying The IS2 is not, It effing fires at 4 man squads dude, by late game most of allied main lines are at minimum 5 man squads. And Allies have higher dps output with their shocks/2x bar rifles/2x bren sections/Rangers/mandos and 2x lmg paras. It's actually axis squad who are low most of the time. Take your allied goggles off. Heavies Fuck everyone regardless of faction.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2020, 12:30 PMZeroZeroNi

And your saying The IS2 is not, It effing fires at 4 man squads dude, by late game most of allied main lines are at minimum 5 man squads. And Allies have higher dps output with their shocks/2x bar rifles/2x bren sections/Rangers/mandos and 2x lmg paras. It's actually axis squad who are low most of the time. Take your allied goggles off. Heavies Fuck everyone regardless of faction.