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G43's are simply OP

3 Feb 2020, 12:15 PM
#81
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

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Let’s be real, if those were Shocks, Thompson Paras or even BAR riflemen it would have ended the same.

G43s are great on the move but at least they don’t have the alpha strike capability of Falls/Shocks/Paras/Rangers and they don’t really excel at any range.

Pfusiliers themselves are slightly overtuned, so that muddies the G43 conversation imo.




This isn’t 19th century warfare where everyone stands in a line and fires. G43 Storms have elite camo, letting you cherry pick engagements where you have superior cover and the moving accuracy of G43s lets you deal damage to retreating or soft retreating squads which MP40s could not do.

Going purely by DPS is irrelevant which at some point you have to get in your head because it’s not a hard concept.

That great. Do you ever actually do that in game though????
3 Feb 2020, 12:24 PM
#82
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

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I think it's the opposite personally. Using either term for all values is more confusing because there's no way to know what's being meant (unless the post is very elaborate, which is often not the case). Dividing it into target size (the base value) and received accuracy (the modified value after upgrades and veterancy) makes more sense, and it's the terminology I personally use, although of course nothing is universally agreed upon.

Rangers have 0.73 [target size] stock;
With veterancy they get a 0.71 (or -29%) [received accuracy modifier];
Vet 3 Rangers ultimately get 0.52 [received accuracy].

target size and rec acc (rec acc multiplier if you prefer) are the same thing. There is no point distinguishing between them.
3 Feb 2020, 12:33 PM
#83
avatar of T.R. Stormjäger

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That great. Do you ever actually do that in game though????


Make an educated guess.
3 Feb 2020, 12:38 PM
#84
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

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Make an educated guess.
i really wanna say yeas but i'm gonna guess no.
3 Feb 2020, 13:03 PM
#85
avatar of Sander93

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target size and rec acc (rec acc multiplier if you prefer) are the same thing. There is no point distinguishing between them.


It doesn't matter what you call it. The point is that vetted Rangers (and other elite infantry) are noticeably more durable than vetted Commandos due to better received accuracy modifiers, which means that Commandos should not be considered part of the "super high [low] RA units". Which was my point, and which also happens to be the point you now seem to be cleverly avoiding by suddenly only focussing on terminology.
5 Feb 2020, 04:28 AM
#86
avatar of FK9DD

Posts: 83

Nothing OP about G43
G43 just good at what it supposed to do
G43 becomes close to OP if squad have camouflage,but still not enough to call it Op

But if squad have camouflage,G43,sprint,smoke nade,snare,rifle nade AND on top of that 50 sight range thats can be quite OP:romeoHype:
Yeah thats about jaeger command squad,but since it has limit thats ok,maybe?
5 Feb 2020, 08:10 AM
#87
avatar of JibberJabberJobber

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Ostheer's recon units have 42 sight (G43 Storms/Pgrens, Pio's, JCS) instead of 50.
5 Feb 2020, 08:10 AM
#88
avatar of Goldenpunch

Posts: 124

G43 gives some power greens to fight aganist penals and rifleman.So g43 is balanced and good.
5 Feb 2020, 08:17 AM
#89
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

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G43 gives some power greens to fight aganist penals and rifleman.So g43 is balanced and good.

No No No... allies are suppose to win. Any thing that makes ost ok is unbalanced and makes them OP.
5 Feb 2020, 08:49 AM
#90
avatar of Katitof

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Ostheer's recon units have 42 sight (G43 Storms/Pgrens, Pio's, JCS) instead of 50.

Ost recon is vehicle based, just like soviet.
5 Feb 2020, 09:46 AM
#91
avatar of JibberJabberJobber

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Ost recon is vehicle based, just like soviet.


It was not a balance statement, just a slight correction of what FK9DD said
5 Feb 2020, 10:25 AM
#92
avatar of Vipper

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Ost recon is vehicle based, just like soviet.

Soviets have non vehicle recon option like:
Flares
Sniper
tracking
specialized doctrinal infatry
5 Feb 2020, 11:02 AM
#93
avatar of Katitof

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jump backJump back to quoted post5 Feb 2020, 10:25 AMVipper

Soviets have non vehicle recon option like:
Flares
Sniper
tracking
specialized doctrinal infatry

And ost has sniper, interrogation, pios and specialized doctrinal infantry.
Still main recon, most accessible, offering most to the table and easiest to use units are vehicles.

Your point?
5 Feb 2020, 21:06 PM
#94
avatar of steinernein

Posts: 11

Also doctrinal flares.
6 Feb 2020, 09:31 AM
#95
avatar of OrangePest

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g43s are fine lmao, (but even then lmgs are arguably better anyway so eh)
6 Feb 2020, 17:25 PM
#96
avatar of JibberJabberJobber

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The reinforcement cost reduction will probably help G43's more than the LMG's.

G43 Grens have to trade to be effective, while LMG Grens can easily fall back or retreat if outgunned.
7 Feb 2020, 12:35 PM
#97
avatar of ZeroZeroNi

Posts: 1563

The reinforcement cost reduction will probably help G43's more than the LMG's.

G43 Grens have to trade to be effective, while LMG Grens can easily fall back or retreat if outgunned.

OMG... 2mp is gonna make Grens soooooooooo......... OPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP.................. I don't know how the mod team expects us to keep up with axis economy now that grens are whole 2mp cheaper to reenforce.
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