COH2 winter balance mod - discussion

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2020, 22:29 PMVipper

Sprint and flamers was tried and was broken with Penals...

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 06:17 AMZeroZeroNi

All they need is a redistribution of their RA.
I say make their base RA 0.91(current 0.95)

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 11:42 AMSupport Sapper

Allow me to remind you that ass sections start with RA = 1.

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 12:12 PMZeroZeroNi

allow me to remind you ass section start with 66 dps where ass grens start with 51 (30% difference).

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 12:25 PMSander93

Assgrens have sprint to get into range quicker and take less damage on approach.
Assault Sections / Engineers can't use their higher maximum DPS if they drop more models on approach.

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 12:38 PMZeroZeroNi

You don't you test and find out if ass section get cut down by vet0 unupgraded grens/volks first before saying that.

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 13:13 PMSander93

Sure no problem.





Against Volks/Grens, Assault Sections generally drop at least 1 model before getting into their 10 effective range;
Against out of cover IS (somewhat similar DPS to Grens/Volks), Assault Grenadiers using sprint generally do not drop a model before getting into their 10 effective range.

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2020, 13:31 PMJibberJabberJobber

Assgrens cost like 28mp (or was it 27mp?) to reinforce and have excellent RA, you can't give them a weapon that allows them to sit back at mid range and deal out tons of damage.

That and STG's are already overrepresented in this game.

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2020, 13:31 PMJibberJabberJobber

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That and STG's are already overrepresented in this game.

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 17:57 PMVipper

This is true for other weapons also like the Thompson.

Imo one could make some weapon upgrades not actually provide a "new" weapon. It can be called "extensive weapon training" or something and the upgrade would simply be an upgrade on the current weapon (probably increasing accuracy).

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 11:42 AMSupport Sapper

Allow me to remind you that ass sections start with RA = 1.

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 18:02 PMaddvaluejack

Doesn't the "in cover" bonus give 0.1 RA reduction?

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 17:51 PMKlement Pikhtura

volksgren stgs is like 2 times weaker then the pgren ones and late game pgrens are on the edge of useful, even with their excellent RA (unless you give them shreks or g43s). So I personally don't see an issue here. If the 26mp per model is too low, it is not unprecedented to change MP reinforcement cost after an upgrade (e.g. conscripts).
About RA, a lot of 28mp (e.g. guards, paras) units while having higher RA (towards 1.0) also have access from decent (DP LMGs) to great weaponry (thompsons, .30 1919 LMGs).

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 18:02 PMaddvaluejack

Doesn't the "in cover" bonus give 0.1 RA reduction?

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 18:40 PMJibberJabberJobber

Then compare those STG Assault Grenadiers with STG Volks:

- 5 stg's vs 3 kars + 2 stg's
- 0,63 RA at vet 3 vs 0,77 RA at vet 3
- 28 mp vs 25 mp reinforcement cost
- 280/60 cost vs 260/60 cost

You'd have elite infantry performance at mainline infantry cost. The only way to remedy that with their current design would be by raising the upgrade and reinforcement cost allot, which kinda shows they're not the right unit to make this change to.

Version 1.1 Changes

Heavy Tanks

Pershing, KV-2, IS-2, Tiger

• CP requirement from 11 to 12
  
• Reverted previous tech requirements from version 1.0

Ostheer

Tech Changes
Sentiment suggests that Ostheer tier 4 is too prohibitive to use. In order to facilitate an easier transition for Ostheer T3 to T4 builds, we have implemented the following:

• Battlephase 2 tech from 90 fuel to 105 fuel
  
• Battlephase 3 tech from 25 fuel to 35
  
• Support Armour Korp (T3) no longer has a fuel cost
  
• Heavy Panzer Korp (T4) building no longer has a fuel cost

XP values have been adjusted accordingly.

Credit to Derbyhat AKA Jibberjabber for originally proposing this change.

Grenadiers

• Reinforce cost from 30 to 28

Pak 40

• Horizontal tracking speed from 12 to 14

Brummbar

• Armour from 240 to 260

Panzerfaust - all variants, including OKW
The speed of the Panzerfaust projectiles being lowered as an attempt to remove the issue of Panzerfausts occasionally missing their targets.

• Projectile speed from 55 to 25

Brits

HQ Glider

• Cost from 450 to 390
  
• Forward HQ Retreat Point and Medics must now be researched for 150 manpower.

Airlanding Officer
The officer is having the cost of his recon run increased to match his counterpart, the USF Major.

• Recon run cost from 35 to 50

Soviets

ZiS-3/SU-76 Barrage
This change puts the barrage from ZiS-3 weapons inline with other direct-fire weapons and mortars that receive penalties when striking units in heavy cover.

• Heavy cover damage modifier from 1 to 0.5

Airborne Weapon Crate Drop

• Price from 45 to 60

OKDubz

Sturmtiger

• Grenade deflection damage removed

Bug Fixes

• Airlanding Officer should now be able to pick up bren guns.
  
• Airlanding Officer reinforce cost fixed.
  
• Fixed Infantry Section cost on reinforce; should now be back to 270/28
  
• Fixed an issue where the British medic build time was too long at 45s; now is 21