Second G43 upgrade for Grenadier？
18 Jan 2020, 23:07 PM
#1
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Allow Grenadier upgrade G43 twice，first upgrade not change，second upgrade need P2 or P3，and 2x G43 for 1x weapon slot
18 Jan 2020, 23:15 PM
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How about a single reason why that isn't "muh ubermensch"?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
18 Jan 2020, 23:50 PM
#3
Posts: 479
I would be ok with Grens being able to get a 3rd G43 with the upgrade that comes with certain commanders (Lightning War, Jaeger Infantry, Elite Troops). Then increasing the cost to 60 from 45 to compensate.
19 Jan 2020, 00:06 AM
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It is time to stop buffng and start nerfing
19 Jan 2020, 00:23 AM
#5
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It is time to stop buffng and start nerfing
I grew to like this idea tbh. Time to kill is pretty short with most of the elite blobs, however none of that is as annoying as 1-unit army that heavy tanks are atm.
19 Jan 2020, 00:50 AM
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Permanently BannedHow about a single reason why that isn't "muh ubermensch"?
Though I don't agree with his proposal, it's probably a reaction to op 7man cons.
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19 Jan 2020, 00:50 AM
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19 Jan 2020, 01:16 AM
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Remove the G43 option from Grenadiers entirely, or make it one G43 able to be acquired alongside the MG42.
Game is nearly done with updates so nope.
It is time to stop buffng and start nerfing
Game is nearly done with updates so nope.
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19 Jan 2020, 01:19 AM
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Game is nearly done with updates so nope.
You're probably right, but I feel like people have been saying that for a while
19 Jan 2020, 01:23 AM
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You're probably right, but I feel like people have been saying that for a while
I’m only saying it cuz I think Sander said it (or some other balance team guy don’t remember). If the game has a couple more years of patchig then sure, nerfs would be a good approach.
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19 Jan 2020, 01:25 AM
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I’m only saying it cuz I think Sander said it (or some other balance team guy don’t remember). If the game has a couple more years of patchig then sure, nerfs would be a good approach.
Ahh yeah that's likely true if one of them said it
I think there's a lot of changes people want that can be filed in the "wait for coh3" bin
19 Jan 2020, 04:20 AM
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Ahh yeah that's likely true if one of them said it
I think there's a lot of changes people want that can be filed in the "wait for coh3" bin
How long till coh3????
19 Jan 2020, 04:40 AM
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How long till coh3????
2 months, 1 week, 10 days, 6 hours, and 20 minutes.
19 Jan 2020, 04:40 AM
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sarcastic double
19 Jan 2020, 09:33 AM
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Though I don't agree with his proposal, it's probably a reaction to op 7man cons.
Bad excuse, given the fact that 7man cons is a result of everyone except cons having upgrade.
LMG grens were stomping stock cons for years, if anything, 7man cons is reaction to lmg grens.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
19 Jan 2020, 11:01 AM
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7 men conscript is NOT a reaction to LMG grenadiers. Conscript/Grenadiers balance was established years ago and it was working.
7 men conscripts are byproduct of Penal/St44 VG buffs and it currently OP.
7 men conscripts are byproduct of Penal/St44 VG buffs and it currently OP.
19 Jan 2020, 11:07 AM
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7 men conscript is NOT a reaction to LMG grenadiers. Conscript/Grenadiers balance was established years ago and it was working.
7 men conscripts are byproduct of Penal/St44 VG buffs and it currently OP.
Yeah that horrible Volks upgrade, how dare 2016 OKW fight off USF infantry hordes and broken OP sections.
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19 Jan 2020, 11:15 AM
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Game is nearly done with updates so nope.
Actually your argument does not hold any water since it allot easier to nerf unit that have become op than to buff units to new power level. That was proven once more with changes to Super heavies that where over buffed and it is allot easier to tone down than to buff everything to their new power level.
Buffing units to new power levels is like venturing to uncharted water, toning down units that have become OP is like navigating through familiar waters.
Having a unit being OP is game braking, having a unit being UP simply removed it from meta and it being replaced by another.
The less patch are left in the game the more the patches should focus in fine tuning thing in familiar areas and the less they should explore uncharted territories.
On the specific issue with g43 the ability was working fine and it was even considered OP at some point and thus there is little reason to be buffed. If there is an issue with them (and probably there is) it cause by other thing being OP and G43 simply being power creeped (and the same probably goes for Ppsh).
19 Jan 2020, 11:30 AM
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Bad excuse, given the fact that 7man cons is a result of everyone except cons having upgrade.
LMG grens were stomping stock cons for years, if anything, 7man cons is reaction to lmg grens.
Actually the issue was no weapon upgrade, meaning if you had to rebuild a Conscript squad in the late game it would do absolutely nothing vs Veteran Axis infantry.
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19 Jan 2020, 11:38 AM
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Yeah that horrible Volks upgrade, how dare 2016 OKW fight off USF infantry hordes and broken OP sections.
1) We are not in 2016 and neither 7 men conscripts appeared in 2016
2) Check the patch change log and you will see that VG had to be nerfed via veterancy nerfs because they where OP even vs USF infantry hordes
3) My point is solid, 7 men conscripts where not "a reaction to lmg grens" even if you do not agree about Penals/ST44 Vgs.
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