82mm vs 120mm Mortar against Flak HQ

I did test it previously and what i gathered was that they were dead even.
But i can't remember if they were both vet 3 and using non FoW.


So i did retest them.

120mm vs 82mm against Flak HQ
Notes:
-The xp value requirements are 960 and 480 respectively for vet1 and they double at each vet level. Therefore by the time the 120mm is vet 1, the 82mm will be vet 2. By the time it takes to get to vet2 the 82mm will be vet 3.

Test 1:
FoW, Barrage, range 75 (enough that the circle isn't outside the maximum range or dead center of truck is at 75)
Vet 0
82mm wins by 10-5% remaining HP left on Flak HQ.
82mm wins by 5%
Vet 3 vs vet 2
82mm wins by 10%

Test2:
Barrage Without FoW
Vet0
82mm wins by 10-5%
Vet2 vs vet 1
82mm wins by 10-5%

Test 3:
AA,Attack Ground FoW
Vet0
82mm wins by >5%
120mm wins by >5%
82mm wins by 10-5%
82mm wins 10%

Test 4:
AA, Attack Ground Non Fow
82mm by 10%
82mm by 10-5%

Test 5:
3 82mm vs 2 120mm (roughly equivalent mp/popcap cost. 240mp/6p vs 340mp/9p) 720mp/18p vs 680mp/18p
FoW Attack ground
82mm by 50-40%
82mm by 40%

PD: i bias slightly towards the 120mm by starting to set order first (control group and hotkey usage made it less than 1-2s) and let any shot mid air count once any truck was killed.

Unless the relative safe by using the extended range means something, there's not much difference between using the stock mortar and the 120mm.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2020, 23:15 PMVipper

Was the test done with auto-fire, attack ground or barrage?

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2020, 23:42 PMStug life

well yes vs building the 120 mm is worse than 82, it has slower rate of sire but same damage

120 mm has 50% more aoe and better spread

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2020, 23:46 PMT.R. Stormjäger

If I could rework the 120mm properly I would transition more into a suppression unit where shells land provide suppression. First you'd pick a spot to barrage, a red flare would drop and then your barrage would suppress any blob that walks into the area.

Unfortunately though this kind of cool stuff doesn't go with the coh2 gameplay.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2020, 03:22 AMdistrofio

Nice idea but it will require other mortar to do actual damage. Unless the 120mm has the same damage+extra suppression

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2020, 10:02 AMVipper

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HM-38 119% better.
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Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2020, 10:33 AMMMX

interesting. i had assumed the 82 mm to perform better due to the higher rof and lower scatter / huge hitbox of the target.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2020, 10:33 AMMMX

interesting. i had assumed the 82 mm to perform better due to the higher rof and lower scatter / huge hitbox of the target.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2020, 19:15 PMelchino7

Regarding the mortar itself:
-Cost should go down to 310mp and 8 popcap.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jan 2020, 05:12 AMSkysTheLimit

+1

Jump back to quoted post14 Jan 2020, 05:47 AMLoopDloop

120mm does have noticeably better range though doesn't it? Gives a little more options for killing whatever static target you're firing on, but at the cost of being slower to do so I guess. Like, if I don't have a stuka as OKW I don't know how to counter 120mms besides pushing them off the field with an actual push.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2020, 10:37 AMKatitof

I'd rather focus on the OP tests as they have actually have some data to them outside screaming X is better then Y without anything else.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2020, 19:15 PMelchino7

-Cost should go down to 310mp and 8 popcap.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jan 2020, 17:47 PMelchino7

How do you counter a Pack Howie or ISG using barrages? It's the same concept.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2020, 19:15 PMelchino7

Regarding the mortar itself:

The performance is fine (after all other mortars were nerfed), it's the cost, popcap and veterancy that are not aligned with it.

-Vet value should be 50% more not 100% (this was basically their old value when the mortar had precision strike and 120dmg)

-Cost should go down to 310mp and 8 popcap.