I've been playing Soviet lately on 2vs2 and try to make good use of the T34-85 but can't find the right spot for it.
The unit is good vs infantry for sure but is it really what you want when you invest into it? I felt like I would build 1 o 2 when I started playing with them but finally came up with the idea T34-76 is better investment for that purpose.
If there is a Pz4, T34-85 is better to deal with but with all the snares around I usually not chase in fear to lose the unit (which happened in my first games), a T34-76 at least you know you're not going to chase and keep it safe.
If there is a Panther, your T34-85 is like a T34-76 at the end. Su-85 is the way to go in both cases to support your vs the panther so why bother building a T34-85 for 40 more fuel.
The unit has maybe more room on 1vs1, don't know.
What's your opinion.
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8 Jan 2020, 10:43 AM
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8 Jan 2020, 11:35 AM
#2
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In 2v2(for me at least) T34/85 works good in a pair with of course support from a su85. If you use say go gmct you do have access to the mark target that can make a single T34/85 pretty be able to push of panthers and 2 of em can handle tigers. But if you have aat then you can use the T34/85 alongside you IS2 but su85 would still be better.
8 Jan 2020, 11:36 AM
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From recent usage of T-34-85 its just a better T-34-76 with no major differences other than more AoE/Damage against infantry with minor AT buff that is negligible, however 2 or 3 of them make quick work of even vet 5 volks and obers if supported correctly.
8 Jan 2020, 11:57 AM
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I don’t use, I prefer specialized units SU-85 + Katyusha. T-34-85 universal mediocrity in the game. For the price similar to Pz-4, his anti-infantry ability is clearly worse, the anti-tank’s ability is also not great. Stupid 1st vet. And the more so the T-34-85 is absolutely poor against the background of the M4C - which has a similar price, similar characteristics to the main gun, but has an AA machine gun, the better 1st vet, smoke, and a change of shells.
8 Jan 2020, 12:08 PM
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T34/85 is a good tank. Nothing needs to be done about it.
As with many units it just suffers from heavy tanks being 10x better than any medium tank. Why bother with T34/85 when you can get a 375 armour IS2? Same as P4, why bother when you can get a Tiger instead?
As with many units it just suffers from heavy tanks being 10x better than any medium tank. Why bother with T34/85 when you can get a 375 armour IS2? Same as P4, why bother when you can get a Tiger instead?
8 Jan 2020, 12:21 PM
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I don’t use, I prefer specialized units SU-85 + Katyusha. T-34-85 universal mediocrity in the game. For the price similar to Pz-4, his anti-infantry ability is clearly worse, the anti-tank’s ability is also not great. Stupid 1st vet. And the more so the T-34-85 is absolutely poor against the background of the M4C - which has a similar price, similar characteristics to the main gun, but has an AA machine gun, the better 1st vet, smoke, and a change of shells.
I find T34/85 way better than the M4C Sherman.
T34/85 has more HP, more penetration, more AOE on main gun, way better machine-guns (AI damage is way more important than AA damage). The M4C extra pen round is mediocre because it increases the reload significantly and still bounces a lot on OKW P4s, Panthers etc. The only good thing about the M4C is the reload speed.
8 Jan 2020, 12:50 PM
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If you're failing with 34/85 you are doing one of these things:
-Overextending
-not supporting with infantry
-attacking more pricey compositions then you have head on
-spamming it and nothing else, therefore making it easier for opponent to counter, especially with stugs
That's all that can be said here without a replay.
-Overextending
-not supporting with infantry
-attacking more pricey compositions then you have head on
-spamming it and nothing else, therefore making it easier for opponent to counter, especially with stugs
That's all that can be said here without a replay.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
8 Jan 2020, 13:16 PM
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T-34/85 is an very cost efficient Tank.
8 Jan 2020, 13:29 PM
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If you're failing with 34/85 you are doing one of these things:
-Overextending
-not supporting with infantry
-attacking more pricey compositions then you have head on
-spamming it and nothing else, therefore making it easier for opponent to counter, especially with stugs
That's all that can be said here without a replay.
Well I did overextend in my first games using them, like I think anybody discovering your unit limits. Then I found myself keeping them away from the frontline because they couldn't really do much than soaking a bit of damage.
They are like said good overall tank and maybe it is not what I need with my own gameplay. I just wanted to know different opinions.
I find it better to get two specialized units: Katy + SU-85 after a T-70 or a fast T34-75 than 2 T34-85 which are spending too much time in repair in my hands.
8 Jan 2020, 13:53 PM
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well yes for price t 76 is better vs inf for the price that's why it's one of the most cost-efficient tank
t 85 has even better AI but not by much and gets 800 hp + much better penetration
t 85 has even better AI but not by much and gets 800 hp + much better penetration
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8 Jan 2020, 18:08 PM
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Unit in basically perfect state overshadowed by current heavy meta.
It's safer to micro a single heavy tank than 2 800HP medium tanks which have more potential of doing dmg.
It's safer to micro a single heavy tank than 2 800HP medium tanks which have more potential of doing dmg.
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8 Jan 2020, 18:18 PM
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Unit in basically perfect state overshadowed by current heavy meta.
It's safer to micro a single heavy tank than 2 800HP medium tanks which have more potential of doing dmg.
Except Luvnest used it in the tournament to devastating effect. People just don't know how to use it effectively, it's not overshadowed, especially with Armoured Assault being a thing.
8 Jan 2020, 18:23 PM
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One of the higher cost efficient tanks in the game. It's perfectly fine currently, if not a bit strong..
8 Jan 2020, 19:22 PM
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I think its just the meta of heavy tanks and there are far more efficient tanks like Su-85 and Kat/T-70s combo. Aside from Lunvest, I rarely see T-34/85 in 2 v 2s.
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8 Jan 2020, 19:49 PM
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Except Luvnest used it in the tournament to devastating effect. People just don't know how to use it effectively, it's not overshadowed, especially with Armoured Assault being a thing.
Read OP, it's 2v2. He already mentioned the difference with 1v1.
Volume of unit and army composition differs from 1v1. It's more likely to face a higher burst fire from AT units making it more likely to lose medium (or advance premium medium) which are unlikely to bounce any shot.
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And if it is, you only care about winning.
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8 Jan 2020, 20:08 PM
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Another important disadvantage T-34-85. There is no commander with the T-34-85 and Shock Troops.
8 Jan 2020, 20:46 PM
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I think its just the meta of heavy tanks and there are far more efficient tanks like Su-85 and Kat/T-70s combo. Aside from Lunvest, I rarely see T-34/85 in 2 v 2s.
I feel like that, but I'm not even using heavy tanks.
8 Jan 2020, 20:57 PM
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Another important disadvantage T-34-85. There is no commander with the T-34-85 and Shock Troops.
I would replace ppsh upgrade in "Advance warfare" with shocks. It would be a strong but still reasonable combo considering that the rest of the doctrine is not so strong.
8 Jan 2020, 20:58 PM
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T-34/85's are the safe choice for generalist medium that can deal with OKW PzIV's. Its got more health and better gun than Axis vehicles of the same cost, so in theory you can reach pairity and even overpower Axis medium play (except Panthers). In comparison to the T-34/76, it is again a safer choice because it has more health and is more capable when it is caught in a disadvantaged position (rounding corner into shreck blob because more health, meeting PzIV with armor skirts without SU-85 support because more pen, able to deter a Panther from diving better because better health and pen, etc)
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8 Jan 2020, 21:06 PM
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Permanently BannedThe tank is borderline op even for a doctrinal unit. Anyone who somehow doesn't know how to use such an efficient tank has a major L2P issue not just with the Soviets, but with the game, in general. U can spam them to great effect on CQC maps, you'll need to support them with zis/SU85 on other maps. Pretty generic advice for a medium tank.
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