Panzerwerfer fix

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2020, 22:30 PMHannibal

The Katy can land at most 3 rockets before the Axis player realizes what happens. You need a decent junk of luck to wipe with that. After that, you know exactly where the rest of the barrage will go down.
The Panzerwerfer is more hit or miss, but the damage done is way higher. It's risk vs reward. Also, unlike the Katy, you never know where it will hit. If you repositioned the wrong unit or your opponent won the mind game and predicted your path, you'll eat everything. If the SOV player won the mindgame, you'll still only eat 3 rockets

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 12:18 PMButcher

The problem with the Panzerwerfer is its limited area of effect. It is designed to have a chance of wiping 1 unit. Nothing more. Now if you want to play mind games with your enemy (targeting vs dodging) the werfer will be a failure more often than any other arty since you only cover that small area. In the end the Werfer is dodged more easily.

Secondly the Werfer has to deal with large Soviet formations (6 men crewsand sqauds) that cover huge areas. A Werfer will not push that formation away.

It comes down to the role of the Werfer not being needed. Ost needs area denial arty, not pinpoint accurate arty (which the Werfer fails to do aswell at times).

The LeFH doesnt really help much any longer since the reload overnerf. And Ost crutching on Tigers to compensate for non existant T4 means you cant go for the LeFH in the first place.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 13:02 PMButcher

Another contentless post from Katitof. You know exactly what I meant. Formation describes multiple squads in an area. A Werfer cant push those away. On top of that those squads are larger and can take more hits.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 14:48 PMMusti

"Werfer spreads out too much and doesnt do anything at long range"
"Werfer is too accurate and can't deny an area"

fucking WHAT?

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 16:38 PMWiderstreit

Artillerieoffizier and the game is yours xD

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 17:26 PMZeroZeroNi

Make the officer non doc then we can talk.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 14:48 PMMusti

"Werfer spreads out too much and doesnt do anything at long range"
"Werfer is too accurate and can't deny an area"

fucking WHAT?

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 17:26 PMZeroZeroNi

Make the officer non doc then we can talk.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 17:35 PMCardboard Tank

That's no contradiction. It is accurate enough to fail at area denial. It is inaccurate enough to fail at its role as accurate artillery. Its performance is in between and it is the worst heavy artillery in the game. Instead of answering to the famous forum troll Katitoff, we might want to take a look at the points players are bringing up.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 17:51 PMWiderstreit

lol no.

But I am for a Panzerwerfer-buff, give it a low-angle barrage with 70 range. That should be enough buff.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 18:04 PMHannibal

A low angle firing mode would basically guarantee a wipe every time you use it.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 18:17 PMWiderstreit

I would nerf the fire-rate of Panzerwerfer too, not only because it looks stupid. As it is now, it would be OP, that is true.

Edit: beside, I think it wouldn't be more OP than Katjusha, because rockets have worse stats. BUT it would punish blobbers.

The hole game is only blobbing. Cancer every game showing the bad fraction and unit design.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 18:02 PMHannibal

For this purpose is can also react way quicker than the Katy, since only the battery needs to turn which is quicker than the vehicle.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 22:24 PMHannibal

Blobbing heavily depends on the game mode, but yes I agree that rocket artillery is and should be a prime counter for mid/late game blobbing.

I still dislike the idea though. The single rocket might be worse, but since they all come at the same time they annihilate everything inside the circle with higher effectiveness than 3-6 Katy rockets could. Ober the years the whole game has - fortunately - see a rebalance away from one shot wipes to more spread out damage as we could see on especially heavy tanks and mortars. Even if the CD of the Panzerwerfer would be increased, the low angle fire would still be a pretty safe wipe with no opportunity to react towards it or somehow counter it. This is in my eyes bad game design and should be avoided.