Stats from the WCS 2019 2.0 - Siphon X version

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2019, 19:02 PMSkysTheLimit

I disagree I think it's interesting to look at and talk about. But jumping right in and using it to support your balance claim is not at all what it's for imo

This is one single 1v1 tournament that didn't include all maps in a game that can go up to 4 players per side and has different maps for each game-mode. I really don't see how you can take that and apply it to the entire game

Jump back to quoted post21 Dec 2019, 19:44 PMVipper

1) That is why I used the term indication and not proof
2) This how science works, one looks at the stats one has and comes up with theories then chooses the one that fits the stats better.

Unless someone comes up with better theory about why PF where not used that much when they where available I am keeping mine.

Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2019, 20:00 PMButcher

Well, when my Ost win rate magically halfs since the last patch (and I used to be 2v2 top 10 every now and then) and I see a win rate of roughly a third of the Ost games played in the tournament it prooves enough for me.

Problem is simply that Soviet heavies and large weapon crews can not be countered by German T4. The artillery is inadequate and the tanks are mediocre. Brummbär was nerfed too hard because it isn't allowed to coutner AT guns (while KV-8s, ISUs etc. are allowed to). The infantry is worse since it's 4 men. So you have the short stick in almost every relevant regard with Ostheer.

Jump back to quoted post19 Dec 2019, 20:00 PMButcher

Well, when my Ost win rate magically halfs since the last patch (and I used to be 2v2 top 10 every now and then) and I see a win rate of roughly a third of the Ost games played in the tournament it prooves enough for me.

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2019, 10:12 AMSander93

And my Ostheer rank went from 8 to 3 and I still have a steady 77% win ratio since the last patch. Subjective experiences or incredibly low sample sizes mean nothing.

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2019, 10:25 AMJilet

Though as IIRC you were a 3v3 player where OST T4 panther delay is doable.

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2019, 18:22 PMGrumpy

All of which has nothing to do with his point that the there isn't any conclusions that can be made from the tournament data. Most of the comments on this thread have been from people who have their preconceived ideas, grab a piece of data and then claim the piece of data proves their theory. If I felt like trolling, I'd point out that the four finalists won 86% of their games as OST, and since 86%>>50%, OST needs immediate nerfs.

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2019, 10:12 AMSander93

And my Ostheer rank went from 8 to 3 and I still have a steady 77% win ratio since the last patch. Subjective experiences or incredibly low sample sizes mean nothing.

If there would be automatch stats showing a significant drop or gap in WR over (tens of) thousands of games, then we'd have actual proof that something's up with Ostheer. But barely 56 tournament games and some peoples' personal ranks do not prove anything. Those "stats" are highly unreliable.

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2019, 19:49 PMFarlion

Respectfully, but your argument is the one that is unreliable. What is true in 3v3 and 4v4 is not true in 1v1 and 2v2.