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Katitof
20 Dec 2019, 09:16 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Dec 2019, 02:12 AMVipper


That is incorrect Penal get on of the highest DPS with veterancy compared to other mainline infatry:
Penal vet 3 190% DPS increase
Conscripts vet 3 167% DPS increase
Grenadier vet 3 149% DPS increase
Riflemen vet 3 140% DPS increase
VG vet 3 138% DPS increase
IS vet 3 124% DPS increase

(some number might be out of date but that should not affect the ratio.)


jump backJump back to quoted post19 Dec 2019, 22:37 PMKatitof

Actually, penals scale pretty bad compared to other infantry as their relative increase in DPS and durability is lower then most of other infantries through vet and upgrades , you will never see anyone sane rebuilding lost penals, because they don't belong to late game. They do have a solid start tho.


You seem to have eyesight problems, so I'll help you out a bit.

Maybe now you will make it to the end of the sentence, instead of ignoring half of it, addressing it only partly, trying to look smart and ending up looking stupid again.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Vipper
20 Dec 2019, 13:55 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Dec 2019, 05:19 AMZeroZeroNi

Are these numbers with their default weapons and at what range???

These number are with default weapons at range 35 and keep in mind that Penal have some of the best default weapons.

The ratio should be the similar across ranges but by using max range because vet bonus might lead to accuracy over 100% in close range vs target 1 that would alter the results.

Weapons upgrades cost munition and are separate issue.

Penal have some of the best accuracy bonuses in the game resulting to some of the best DPS vet bonuses. Combined with great default weapon they have good DPS. As pointed out already by Geblobt the Penal's performance is close to the almost equally expensive panzer fusiliers that cost allot more MU while being significantly weaker at start.

And keep in mind that according to MOD team PF have "increased power in the late game".

(The rest is smoke and mirrors trying to create an impression that is simply is false.)
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Leo251
20 Dec 2019, 14:29 PM
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Back to topic. It is very clear that OST and UKF need some love. Buff them OR leave them untouched and nerf Sovs and USF. Either way, the patch team need to make it urgently because OST keep losing 1v1 games and UKF are almost never picked in 1v1.

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ZeroZeroNi
20 Dec 2019, 14:45 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Dec 2019, 14:29 PMLeo251
Back to topic. It is very clear that OST and UKF need some love. Buff them OR leave them untouched and nerf Sovs and USF. Either way, the patch team need to make it urgently because OST keep losing 1v1 games and UKF are almost never picked in 1v1.


So why don't OKW need no nerf???? Is it cus of tunnel vision on your part.
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Vipper
20 Dec 2019, 14:47 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Dec 2019, 14:45 PMZeroZeroNi

So why don't OKW need no nerf???? Is it cus of tunnel vision on your part.


OKW might need some nerf (basically VG's St44 probably) but one can not really tell since their dependence on the Tiger that have replaced the Command Panther and might actually be carrying the faction. Once that is nerfed along with the other super heavies things will become easier to tell.
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Leo251
20 Dec 2019, 14:52 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Dec 2019, 14:45 PMZeroZeroNi

So why don't OKW need no nerf???? Is it cus of tunnel vision on your part.

Because OKW is, from my point of view, balanced as a whole faction in 1v1 games.
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blancat
20 Dec 2019, 14:57 PM
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USF -> fine
OST -> fine or nerf Pzgrenadier
OKW -> fine

UKF -> need whole wise support
SOV -> nerf 7man cons
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Stug life
20 Dec 2019, 14:58 PM
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oh the allied fanboys hypocrisies

"pfusi are the best scaling infatry in the game, that's why u pay 295 mp and 80 munition for them and have the best vet 11!1!1!!!"

"penal have the worse scaling of any infantry, their vet is bad and they have no ai upgrades"

>compare both vet 3 vs vet 5 unit

>penal have better dps long range and sightly lower and close range , copst 5 more mp and 80 less munitions with much more power eraly game

BuT pEnAl ScAlE bAd

pFuSi CaN't Be BuFfEd ThEy ArE oP lAtE gAmE

what's next, a p4 stolen by allies is worse than a p4 of osther ? the ukf at gun is way worse than pak 40 ?
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ZeroZeroNi
20 Dec 2019, 15:06 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Dec 2019, 14:52 PMLeo251

Because OKW is, from my point of view, balanced as a whole faction in 1v1 games.

And somehow nerfing it's opponents won't boost it's own. OST is weaker than OKW. If you just nerf Allies to match with OST won't that make OKW stronger to them???
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