Guard Rifle QOL Improvement

• Guards have slightly better AI when first purchased
  
• Guards can make use of their good moving accuracy on their Mosins without 2 weapon carrying models permanently being unable to fire
  
• DP upgraded guards without PTRS rifles are no longer a pinata party of weapon drops
  
• Potentially allows guards to scavenge more weapons should drops be avilable
  

• Guard rifles remain at 16 damage, and may want to be tweaked to 14 with comparable DPS to avoid a tommies mk2 situation
  
• Guards starting with 4 weapon slots may want to be changed - PTRS rifles being an upgrade that adds an additional 2 could be worthwhile, or starting with 2 and both weapon upgrades adding 1 extra slot each
  
  

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2019, 10:51 AMSeductiveCardbordBox

• Guards have slightly better AI when first purchased

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2019, 11:11 AMSander93

It would actually be quite a significant increase. Not so much because of the DPS increase (Guards Mosin Nagants aren't that great) but because they'd have 6x 16 damage rifles that would have a high potential of oneshotting models (5x 16dmg = 80hp of one model) to immediately swing engagements in their favor.

Infantry Sections' Lee Enfields were specifically changed because of this issue, and they had only 5x 16dmg rifles, and their AI performance took quite a noticeable hit despite being compensated with higher accuracy to keep similar DPS.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2019, 11:04 AMSneakEye

FYI:
Guards have 4 weapon slots. 2 are consumed with the PTRS rifles and the other 2 are available for the DP-28 upgrade or weapons from the ground.

If they spawn without PTRS rifles, then they can take 4 weapons of choice which can cause all kind of balance issues.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2019, 11:35 AMVipper

Guards do not need any more buffs.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2019, 12:10 PMStug life

they already have lower chance to drop weapons, people just like to bring out old problem

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2019, 12:04 PMCresc

...
when was the last buff?

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2019, 12:29 PMSeductiveCardbordBox

That's not all it's about - that's just a happy coincidence.

Giving them a mosin set out of the gate is about making guards more flexible when you first buy them, before you invest in the DPs and have the vet to bed down into firing positions.

It's a small change with a number of modest benefits for Soviet play without making guards any more powerful at their peak - when on the floor with a pair of LMGs and a stack of vet.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2019, 12:47 PMT.R. Stormjäger

LMG airborne 6men with 2 LMGs and suppression ability are balanced.
Falls with 4 LMGs, camo, nukenade, crazy vet bonuses and faust are balanced.
Guards with 2 shite LMGs and bad nade are OP af.

ROFLMAO

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2019, 12:50 PMVipper

Guards where OP and dominated the meta, if you they do not see action now it is because of Power creep. Continuing to buff units to make them attractive simply leads to continues buff circle and to snowballing. Units need nerfs not buffs.

(LMG airborne have 3 LMGs not 2)

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2019, 13:00 PMT.R. Stormjäger

LMG airborne have 2 LMGs, not 3. Guards Airborne are the ones with 3 LMGs.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2019, 13:00 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Guards were OP is not an argument and neither is nerfing other units since the balance team has shown time and time again that they do not subscribe to that line of thinking.

Like I said, if Falls and Paras are balanced, Guards deserve a buff.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2019, 13:08 PMLago

QOL stands for 'Quality of Life', and refers to changes that make the game more user friendly without affecting the balance.

Making PTRSses optional is NOT a QoL change. It's a balance change, and a hefty one at that.

A mod should probably rename this thread.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2019, 15:03 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Except Guards drop PTRSs like crazy, so you’re gonna end up with just DPs anyway. It is a QOL and balance change.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2019, 15:43 PMBlebfeesh

Guards are in a good spot. For you idea to be implemented, a whole lot more would need to be tweaked and changed so that the're AI wasn't completely unreasonable as a result. The only time I have struggled when using them is when vs falls, and everything struggles against falls.