Jagdpanzer 4 nerf nao
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6 Nov 2019, 15:32 PM
#1
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Permanently BannedAfter studying the jdp4s stats in comparison with other units in its role, I have determined that it is op. Although you never see them being built due to their high cost, poor penetration, terrible movement speed, inability to self spot or chase, relatively worthless vet, inability to bounce anything with a higher caliber than the commissars pistol, inability to deal with infantry, being overshadowed in versatility by the similarly priced p4, and by role since it is much worse than the panther, katitof said that it is OP given his valuable experience in rank 2000 3v3 games. Sure, Bao, VonIvan and other top 1v1 players think the jdp4 is underperforming, but what really counts is the opinion of someone with over 10000 forum posts but under 500 hours of coh2 play time. His inability to see that the maxim retreats faster than the mg42 is a testament to his good judgement and fortitude in dealing with the complete bias that is the jagdpanzer 4
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6 Nov 2019, 15:34 PM
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I studied many posts of Forum Scholars and heres my answer:
jp4 is overshadowed by p4 and panther. Nerf p4 and panther and jp4 will see more use.
jp4 is overshadowed by p4 and panther. Nerf p4 and panther and jp4 will see more use.
6 Nov 2019, 15:39 PM
#3
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Permanently BannedOr we could just make the jdp4 100 fuel and not make it worse than the su76
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6 Nov 2019, 15:44 PM
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It's a teamgame unit. It's very good at slugging matches with other TDs, but that's not usually a situation that arises in 1v1.
6 Nov 2019, 15:50 PM
#5
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Permanently BannedBut katitof said jdp4 is the best td in the game? How come I see su85s and Jackson’s but no jdp4? Are the top 25 noobs? They are missing out on using an op unit
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6 Nov 2019, 15:54 PM
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Thats because there is nothing to overshadow jackson. JP4 is overshadowed by panther and panzer4. Nerf panther and panzer4 and jp4 will see more use.
6 Nov 2019, 15:56 PM
#7
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Permanently BannedYou’re in denial. The jdp4 is in every top tier 1v1. Why wouldnt it be? It’s the best to in the game. Loses to su76 but it’s the best!!! This is why it needs to be nerfed. There is no way 3 jdp4s should be able to take out a single soviet tank.
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6 Nov 2019, 15:58 PM
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But if you nerf jp4 it will be even more overshadowed by panther and panzer4. The Only Solution is to nerf panther and panzer4 so they stop overshadowing.
6 Nov 2019, 15:59 PM
#9
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Permanently BannedJdp4 should come with half health kind of like commandos, this way the t70 can duel it more effectively. T70 being able to destroy p2 with ease is just proof axis have op tanks. T70 needs to one shot jdp4 now!
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6 Nov 2019, 16:01 PM
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Permanently BannedWhile we’re at it. Let’s half the range of the ST and double the range of the avre
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6 Nov 2019, 16:15 PM
#11
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I think that the only logical conclusion here is to buff it by giving it 30muni pintle mounted mg34 and raise the fuel cost.
Now can we please get back to the topic of nerfing ostheer T4 and buffing Jacksons as a community.
Now can we please get back to the topic of nerfing ostheer T4 and buffing Jacksons as a community.
6 Nov 2019, 16:16 PM
#12
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After studying the jdp4s stats in comparison with other units in its role, I have determined that it is op. Although you never see them being built due to their high cost, poor penetration, terrible movement speed, inability to self spot or chase, relatively worthless vet, inability to bounce anything with a higher caliber than the commissars pistol, inability to deal with infantry, being overshadowed in versatility by the similarly priced p4, and by role since it is much worse than the panther, katitof said that it is OP given his valuable experience in rank 2000 3v3 games. Sure, Bao, VonIvan and other top 1v1 players think the jdp4 is underperforming, but what really counts is the opinion of someone with over 10000 forum posts but under 500 hours of coh2 play time. His inability to see that the maxim retreats faster than the mg42 is a testament to his good judgement and fortitude in dealing with the complete bias that is the jagdpanzer 4
You realize the JP4 has the best armor of any non-doctrinal TD in the game, right? Certainly higher than any allied TD. Like, sub 50% penetration rates for medium tanks. Crazy that'd be an actual complaint about it lol
Also, it is funny that you literally say/admit it is overshadowed by the P4 and the Panther in your OP lmao
Maybe triple d is right and the P4 and P5 just need a few nerfs to give the JP4 time to shine.
6 Nov 2019, 16:18 PM
#13
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Permanently BannedLogical conclusion is your an axis fanboy. Soviets should start wit a full army. That’s the only way katitof will get a win. It’s balance when katitof wins
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6 Nov 2019, 16:20 PM
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Permanently BannedWe should nerf rifles so rear echelons have their time to shine
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6 Nov 2019, 16:30 PM
#15
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What is the point of making a 135 fuel TD to counter other ~130-145 fuel TDS. It doesn't beat them that hard if at all.
Those other TDS are used in the first place because they are effective at range vs heavy tanks or shut down mediums completely, roles which the JP4 is inefficient at. It needs to be more effective in this regard to find a niche.
Those other TDS are used in the first place because they are effective at range vs heavy tanks or shut down mediums completely, roles which the JP4 is inefficient at. It needs to be more effective in this regard to find a niche.
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6 Nov 2019, 16:34 PM
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It's a teamgame unit. It's very good at slugging matches with other TDs, but that's not usually a situation that arises in 1v1.
Qft
6 Nov 2019, 16:38 PM
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Those other TDS are used in the first place because they are effective at range vs heavy tanks or shut down mediums completely, roles which the JP4 is inefficient at. It needs to be more effective in this regard to find a niche.
How does it not shut down mediums completely with guaranteed pen on all ranges (Easy 8 and upgraded Shermans being the only exception, and the Comet if you'd count it as an average medium), 60 range, higher ROF than any Allied TD, high accuracy, 17 target size and 230 front armor?
It wipes the floor with medium tanks and TDs, especially with vet, and is decent against heavies due to high ROF. Scales incredibly well. It might not be the best unit for 1v1s, mainly because it's simply overshadowed by the Panzer IV and the Panther in that mode, but it's a fantastic unit in teamgames.
6 Nov 2019, 16:46 PM
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Maybe triple d is right and the P4 and P5 just need a few nerfs to give the JP4 time to shine.
Maybe he is right maybe M36 needs few nerf to give the Shermans 76mm, Easy8, Dozer upgraded time to shine.
6 Nov 2019, 16:49 PM
#19
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Maybe is is right maybe M36 needs few nerf to give the Shermans 76mm, Easy8, Dozer upgradef time to shine.
Good thing people who argue against M36 nerfs don't open threads with that in mind then lol
6 Nov 2019, 16:56 PM
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Good thing people who argue against M36 nerfs don't open threads with that in mind then lol
Good thing that people who post about PzIV are aware that its gun has trouble penetrating anything above a Cromwell and do not ask for it to be nerfed in the AT role.
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